Elvish Translation

bettsovic
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Elvish Translation

Post#1 » Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:40 am

Hi there! I wonder if anyone could help me. I've found a website which translates into Elvish text and wanted to know if anyone has come across it or how accurate it is...

http://www.fonts4free.net/show-font.php?action=show&font=tengwar-annatar-font&textfield=++27+4+1961&Submit=Click+To+Render

I am getting a tattoo, and from the research I've done, this website's translations differ from other texts I've found...


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galin
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Post#2 » Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:33 am


Hello!



What do you want to write? I generally don't trust the web for such things, but I have not really looked at the site you note.



He said 'on the web'



Sometimes I try to help with a given transcription, but usually only if it's short and I can find some attested stuff to back up my suggestions. Tattoos don't come off easily (or so I understand it), so to my mind anyway, simple and Tolkien-attested is best.



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ammornil
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Post#3 » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:56 am


Welcome on the PT Forums!



I would second Galin's opinion on the matter. Also you must keep in mind most sits do not translate, but simply (and sometimes not very successfully) transcribe some words and text into Tengwar, leaving the expression of Elvish look, but failing into elvish sound. The site you've posted does neither transcribe nor translate. It generated nonsense when I attempted to "render" (as the button sais) the word star. It returned something that in Sindarin Style would sound like "GMQB" if you can pronounse such thing at all. It can not exist in Quenya at all.



So if you need something translated or transcribed or both I suggest post it here. Galin (upper post fellow)  knows his ways into it (as far as I have red a lot of opinions of his). If he is busy or does not wish to go into "sintetic words" I will do my best to be of service. I have a nice Tengwar writer so it will be possible to send you the transcription by mail for example.



Anyway, I do not suggest using authomatic script. In many forums there are special threads about tatoos. You can start one here (or maybe look for one  a bit deeper among the threads).


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Amarië
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Post#4 » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:08 am


That is not a translation, it is simply a preview of the font. The font "Tengwar Annatar" doesn't work like your regular fonts, it is more like "wingdings". You really need to know what you are doing to use this font. 



At the very least you need to know your way around the Tengwar diagram from the LOTR appendix. Then you will find that turning your keyboard sideways will be helpful. I haven't use this font in years so I no longer know exactly where to find the vowels. 



Perhaps our help entry "How do I write my name or this text in Elvish/Elven letters?" may be helpful.


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about the lack of bright spots in you life."
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galin
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Post#5 » Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:16 pm


Recently (but not here) I've helped people transcribe the Elvish words taure and laurie... and menel and aear in the Mode of Beleriand (Tolkien himself transcribed some of these actually).



So if by luck you happened to pick any of these it would really make things a bit easier 



kalamaras
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Post#6 » Fri May 06, 2011 11:59 am


Hi there. I would like this text translated into elvish



"expose yourself to your deepest fear, after that, fear has no power,

and the fear of freedom shrinks and vanishes. You are free."



Can anyone help me with that?



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galin
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Post#7 » Mon May 09, 2011 7:32 am


Hello and welcome!



Seeing that we are in the writing forum here (and despite the thread title), do you want a transcription rather than a translation? Enough people on the web write translation when they mean transcription (not that you did necessarily), so it's sometimes hard to tell what people are really asking for.



Of course you might find it annoying that I responded but don't plan to try either! Sorry; and who knows if anyone will take on your request, but right now it is a bit unclear in any case.



Do you want your English example to stay English but be written with Elvish letters (again I realize you wrote translation but this is the writing forum)?



Or if you want a translation, what Elvish language would you like, if it matters? Quenya and Sindarin are not complete in vocabulary or grammar, but are the most attested at various stages in Tolkien's life.



And once rendered in an Elvish language (if so), do you also want that written with Elvish letters? Which brings up a question: anyone 'out there' have a tattoo of an Elvish word written with the Roman alphabet?



 



Anyway, there's nothing wrong with writing English using the Elvish letters of course (Tolkien himself did this), and a simple transcription might be less difficult.



tiberia
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Post#8 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:31 pm


Hi there! 



 



I was wondering if someone could help me with a translation for a tattoo? Last year I posted something on the askyahoo forum and received a translation for "Give me Strength". I would like to know if it is accurate and if not could be corrected? 



 



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tiberia
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Post#9 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:15 pm

Hi! Unfortunately I lost the person's information, my old email has been deactivated. Which version of the script do you think is the most accurate? I need to be absolutely sure before I go get it done :)

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galin
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Post#10 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:48 pm


In my opinion the two versions that employ ture are equally accurate with respect to the script, as long u can be represented either way, and the rest is the same.



Although obviously there are two different fonts to choose from as well, but you can choose any font you like of course.



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