Travelling to the Undying Land

The Cheesey
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Post#1 » Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:41 pm

I was bored and looking through some maps.

Like This One

I Understand why Frodo, Elrond, Bilbo and that lot take a boat, but if a Team of Strong People went to the north of Middle Earth, through the Blue Mountains and Gondolin, Couldn't they just stroll in by Helcaraxe? Or if Sauron and his army wun the war of the ring because all the Elves did a runner, could they then go and take over the Undying Lands by the same route I just Described?

Or they could also go east at the Forests of Harad, and sail a boat from there. How come this never happens? ([A,5] and [M,5] on the Map)

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galin
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Post#2 » Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:10 pm

Hmm, crossing the Grinding Ice was no easy task in any case. It was said that: 'Few of the deeds of the Noldor thereafter surpassed that desperate crossing in hardihood or woe.'

Of The Flight Of The Noldor, Silmarillion

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Post#3 » Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:14 pm

But if the strongest people managed to cross, would they be blocked by Elronds Guards coz they weren't elves?

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Post#4 » Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:28 pm

Do you mean in the Third Age? If so, the Undying Lands had been removed from the Circles of the World.

But you mentioned Gondolin too (in Frodo's day Beleriand was under the Sea for the most part), so I'm a bit confused.

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Post#5 » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:09 am

And so am I (confused). By the T.A. this map is way out of date. The Undying lands are no longer reachable for mortals, safe for those who are allowed to enter their realm. And even though Sauron is in fact immortal still I do not think he would be welcome to take over.

However the powers of the Dark Lord can not match those of the Valar. Morgot (former Vala) and stronger than Sauron (though maybe bit foolish or too self-confident), well anyway Morgot could not take over all the Valar alone. Sauron attempted to get the Nuumenoreans to take over the Undying lands and look what Eru did. Who knows what HE would have done next time if angry.

It is not out of reason to believe that Olorin was sent back to help for the downfall of Sauron by Eru himself.
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Post#6 » Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:10 am

Or did Jrr mean Olorin was Eru Himself

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Post#7 » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:07 pm

Thinking About It, The Map is kinda odd and stuff. (I've read 5 Paragraphs of the Silmarillion before it confused me, but I read something about 'The Age of Lamps', 'The Age of Trees' and 'The Age of Men' so It seemed slightly out of date.)

Anyway Thanks for Correcting Me.

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Post#8 » Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:25 am

Aman is pretty accurate but ME is a hopeless jumble. The map isn't so much out of date as a sort of combination of all the ages of the world, with TA places next to stuff from the beginning.This should really be several maps.

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Post#9 » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:53 pm

Aaah K.

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Post#10 » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:35 am

I was thinking the other day about how I visualise The Undying Lands and came across this old thread.
In my mind I see a Valinor, globed in its own environmental sphere, within the void, within reach of ships of the righteous, yet far enough away to be out of reach of Mortality. The Straight Road, for me, is some kind of temporal bridge which one found is the direct and only route to There Blessed Lands of the undying.
It's interesting that Eru's fury was so great, after the Numenorian's actions in sailing in might to Valinor. Yet he really was quite easy on the Dark Lords, never directly intervening. The huge destruction caused by the removal of the ancient West would almost have been apocalyptic for all those left behind on the new Earth.
Interested in others thoughts on this.

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