Thread: Losing Immortality
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And though Gandalf was a Wizard, again, the focus was on Natural Magic. Which, from what I recall, Tolkien saw as a different order of magic altogether from the Manipulative Magic practiced as Sorcery (such as by Saruman and Sauron in particular). In other words, Natural Magic is that which flows from the natural order, the Source of Life; whereas Sorcery was a Mechanical attempt to manipulate and distort the natural order (in Tolkien's world anyway).
Otherwise, I quite agree with Eldorion's excellent exegesis on the textual analysis of Tolkien's work .
I'll think over the magic question a bit and hopefully have some more on that later when I'm less tired.
I'm rambling now I think. My main point is that while I'm not going to call it magic, I think we're all on the same page here.
I only just used the term "on the same page" a minute ago. Spooky! Anyway, "magic" is not some concrete thing. I think of Jesus in the Gospels who sometimes had a similar, dare I say, 'quality'. (No, I'm not a Christian - not that there's anything wrong with that!) What I mean is, just when you think you've laid a finger on Who or What Jesus is, he mysteriously vanishes. Read the Gospels, friends, and see what I mean. Magic's like that. It can't be nailed down. You can only intuit its presence. I think T knew that. Of course, T knew that!
NB: The White Council will wreck The Hobbit Movie!
NB (2): Hey! Why not rename it the 'Dark Council' for film making purposes? Fits better with the more somber tone of LOTR "The Prequel."
She dabbled in Theosophy and Spiritualism, yet her stories mirrored precisely the sense of Magic that Tolkien, the Catholic, was on about when he talked about Natural Magic. And these notions about Natural Magic are even mirrored in some strains of modern Wicca, and Animist Paganism. One could say that they were all on the same page .
I think I might have that pint Lester Cat mentioned...
I have to admit that I'm a bit of a skeptic about magic in the real world if one considers it as a supernatural phenomenon, but I certainly like reading about magic and imagining it. And not just with LOTR, but a lot of fantasy and sci-fi (including my beloved [i:3i1xehnc]Star Wars[/i:3i1xehnc] ). Call it escapist if you like, but I think that being able to escape from the real world at times is quite refreshing and healthy.
EDIT: I'll pass on the pint though.