Thread: Golden LotR Moments overlooked for the movies
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Btw I see your strategy: apply pressure about the past to PJ's plans for the (near) future! SAVE THE HOBBIT!
But fight the good fight.
(Sadly, GB and even Eldorion seem happy to be run over by PJ's steamroller without putting up any resistance at all).
Odo, you're making me suspect that [url=http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books.tolkien/browse_frm/thread/a19d06aeafafcb09/f9ce5c2c25d43ca5:1vmpihli]this fellow[/url:1vmpihli] is you.
You are quite right Odo, nothing can be done to alter the awfulness committed upon LoTR but by reminding the world of it we can but hope they learn from their mistakes and hire some real sciptwriters this time instead of giving the wife and her mate a job. Would be nice to see something that resembes the book this time. But I doubt it.
Gold Mr Tyrant! Pure GOLD!!!!
Anyway.. now for some crabbit....
What are you saying, Eldo? Is someones crazy for wanting to rip up the movie script?
What are you saying: I should stop spending all my spare time making explosive devices that Saruman would be proud of? (I'm using an old Enemy's devices to kill the new Saurons, you see! )
And what of the canoe I'm building in the backyard! What! You mean, I should NOT sail it from the Land of Oz over to the Big Apple!?!? It's YOU who are MAD, Eldo! Not me - nor my looney overseas friend - no, it wasn't me - but Bless him with Great Blessingness!
... Huh! Oh hi, GB, I didn't realize you were listening...!
[i:1tx5rvbr]...hee hee hee [/i:1tx5rvbr]
[quote="Bookworm":17wkt2jj]One scene in the movie that I particularly hated was the one in Minas Tirith where Gandalf is cowering on the ground in front of the Nazgul, and it seems that Gandalf is "saved" by the horns of Rohan blowing and the Nazgul flying away and leaving him.
This is also the scene from all the movies combined that I dislike the most. Why Peter Jackson decided that the Witch King should be able to kill Gandalf that easily (which he would have, hadn't Rohan come) is something I don't understand, and while many of his own ideas and changes might be a bit out of place, but still ok, this one is just wrong. He kind of strips Gandalf of all his awesomeness and power right there. I prefer the book version
Anyway, golden moments! While it's not exactly a moment, the "many meetings" and "The council of Elrond" chapters are my two favourite chapters in the book, and I wish that Jackson would have dealt with them a little more thoroughly than he did. Of course, it would have taken a long time, but the stories told by different characters in those two chapters are fantastic, and I think many of them would have made good cinema.
Another thing about that scene that I don't understand is why the Witch-king didn't just finish Gandalf off. Clearly PJ didn't want to change the story [i:1dk0529j]that[/i:1dk0529j] much, but from the Witch-king's perspective it doesn't make sense. He needs to deal with the Rohirrim but it would take maybe 30 seconds more to deliver the coup de grace. The book version makes more sense since the Witch-king hadn't even begun fighting Gandalf when he left, making time more of an issue for him.
Surely one of the points to making LoTR as cinema is to visualize the wonderful descriptive prose Tolkien provides?
Compare the scenes-
'In rode the Lord of the Nazgul. A great black shape against the fires beyond he loomed up, grown to a vast menace of despair. In rode the Lord of the Nazgul, under the archway that no enemy ever yet had passed, and all fled before his face.
All save one. There waiting, silent and still in the space before the Gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax who alone among the free horses of the earth endured the terror, unmoving, steadfast as a graven image in Rath Dinen.
'You cannot enter here,' said Gandalf, and the huge shadow halted. 'Go back to the abyss prepared for you! Go Back! Fall into the nothingness that awaits you and your master. Go!'
The Black Rider flung back his hood, and behold! he had a kingly crown; and yet upon no head visible was it set. The red fires shone between it and the mantled shoulders vast and dark. From a mouth unseen there came a deadly laughter.
'Old fool!' he said. 'Old fool!' This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it? Die now and curse in vain!' And with that he lifted high his sword and flames ran down the blade.'
This is pure cinema -visual gold. And what does PJ give us? - a dull battlement for a setting, Gandalf sprawled on his a*se and Shadowfax sh**ting bricks and panicking! Oh why PJ why didn't you bother reading the text?!