Thread: Silmarillion, The Movie
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Brad Pitt? Beren? Nooooooooooooooooooo......
OK, now that I'm finished, sorry, Gibbun, for my outburst, but I just can't see big handsome Brad as deep in love Beren.
I do believe, though that it could lend itself very much to either an extended mini-series, or a continual series of epsiodes covering a few chapters at a time, where necessary, or with single longer chapters covering more events. I am about to embark upon a comprehensive writing course, and it covers writing/adapting material for radio, stage and television. I've been thinking about the idea for about a year now fully understanding the immense and extremely difficult task it would be for anyone who undertook it.
It would require the very same level of attention and detail as Peter Jackson's magnificent adaptation of LOTR, and indeed I cannot envisage any other production company being responsible for actually getting it made. That said, it wouldn't necessarily require Peter Jackson to adapt the story(ies) for the screen.
Initial problems to consider of course, are that in many parts a considerable amount of dialogue and conversation would have to be written/added/interpreted to make it suitable and viewable. I consider this a potential problem due to hardcore fans (of which I consider myself too). Whoever may write a screenplay would more or less do so from their perspective (as did Peter Jackson et al in writing the LOTR screenplay). This means that many hardcore fans might not accept the adaptation as good enough. My view on this is that if it is to be adapted for the screen this is unavoidable, as was with the LOTR movies.
I do believe, however that it is a price well worth paying to bring the myths and legends of Tolkien's First Age to life. Accessible to many who will never read the book, and to encourage others to read the book with a new passion and to enter into Tokien's own imagination as it appears on the written page.
This is all just a hardcore fan with a pure love for the silmarillion and a desire to not only see it imagined in the flesh, but also to bring it into the lives of those who would never otherwise experience the sheer brilliance of the Silmarillion.
What do people think?
In my opinion Christopher Tolkien is a greedy little snot. He tried to put the fan sites in the US out of business. To which the ever present US courts said to him no he can't do that. Freedom of speech and that kind of thing. I personally think he is making a mistake, but I'm just a crazy yank. What do I know?
In my opinion Christopher Tolkien is a greedy little snot.
I agree. He should have shared all the profits of the LOTR movie adaptation with me and the other Council Members of this site.
But he didn't. Shame on him!
Actually if they ever do the movie I have a candidate for the part of the younger Galadriel. Tricia Helfer who plays Number 6 on the Sci Fi channels remake of Battlestar Galactica. Still Trying to figure out how you hide a 6'5" tall platinum blonde in a red dress!
I wish Christopher Tolkien would agree to do the movie adaptation or at least supervise whoever does it - they'd have to add in a lot of dialogue and I think no one could do that better than CT because he knows and respects the stories more than any one.
I'd love to see the story of Beren and Luthien! Choosing the right actors would be a very tough task; and though she wouldn't be my first choice for any other reason maybe Liv should just play Luthien - seeing as how Arwen's supposed to look a lot like her. Natalie Portman might work, though a lesser known actress would be better (it's almost impossible not to associate actors with previous roles - unless they're really good!). I wouldn't even know who to start with for Beren...hmmm.
What about Ben Affleck and Kate Beckinsale as Beren and Lúthien ? After all, they already acted brilliantly in Pearl Harbor.. or not.
Now I think Lúthien should be played by Angelina Jolie; Lúthien was the fairest of all Children of Ilúvatar, hence it is only normal for her to be portrayed by a woman who was apparently voted as the sexiest/most attractive on earth... and then it would only be logical for Beren to be played by Brad Pitt..
As for the casting, I would rather have complete unknowns that were absolute Tolkien fanatics and knew the books off by heart rather than well known performers. Boring.
I realize that the choices made for LOTR's was great but still I would like to see skilled performers that noone really knew. I think that would bring a beauty and freshness and excitement that would not otherwise be there.
I'll fork over 17,000 Mithril if you promise not to add or delete a single jot or tittle.
*grabs mithril kindly donated by easily gullible PTers and boards plane to Rio de Janeiro*
No, seriously, if I can ever get the resources, I would definitely make a film from at least one of the tales in the Silmarillion. As well as several other films, like the Prydain Chronicles, all that they would need would be a faithful and loving touch, and they'd be top movie of the year.
*grabs mithril kindly donated by easily gullible PTers and boards plane to Rio de Janeiro*
*thorin having heard of Vir's treachery, swings his axe in the air, shouts 'death to virumor', and boards the next plane to Rio de Janeiro*
I began adapting The Silmarillion after seeing the LOTR trilogy. Those films didn't just blow my mind. They were rich and detailed and brought the books to life in away that many readers imagined them. Jackson saw the dark nature of the book. The Silmarillion of course is much darker.
In thinking about how to adapt the Silmarillion, I thought about what was central to the book. Therefore, I have left out the Creation, the Downfall and the History of the RIngs and concentrated solely on the Quenta Silmarillion. What interestests me about this is the tragic history of the Elves and in particular, the history of one family. All else is secondary to that. It must be so that as viewers we can relate to the films' central characters.
My three proposed films are as follows: Pt1: The Return of the Noldor, Pt2: The Quest of the Silmarils and Pt3: The War of Wrath.
Part 1 begins with a prologue much like the LOTR trilogy did. In this, Feanor and his family are introduced and the Silmarils are made. The prologue ends with Feanor swearing his oath to retrieve the Silmarils from Morgoth. The rest of the film shows the Flight of the Noldor, right through to the Battle of Sudden Flame and the fight between Fingolfin and Morgoth.
Part 2 is the story of Beren and Luthien. Not only is this a much loved story from the book but it is integral to the trilogy as a whole. It links Parts 1 and 3.
Part 3 begins with the Nirnaeth Arnoediad, a long battle sequence which would make the Battle of the Pelennor Fileds look like a pillow fight between two old women. The aftermath of the battle shows Beleriand broken and the Sons of Feanor separated. We then move onto the Ruin of Doriath, intercut with the journey of Tuor. This leads to the Fall of Gondolin and then the massacre of the Elves of Sirion. We then see the Voyage of Earendil and the War of Wrath.
Throughout all the films I have tried to show the actions of the Elves and the Sons of Feanor in particular as being those of a superior race of beings, whose pride and desire leads to their own corruption and downfall. The Silmarillion is about misplaced pride and blind loyalty. It is also an action-packed adventure story.
As far as a film version of the book ever being made, I believe this will never happen, successfully at least. My screenplays therefore are fan-fiction in the truest sense.
Not sure if this thread is still going or if anyone's interested but I'll be glad to answer any questions and read your cries of outrage.
Your method of splitting the Sil into three parts is interesting; though I still think it will be hard to hold each of those films under three or four hours. Still, I wish there was someone with money enough to try it.
'The rights in The Children of Húrin are owned by the Tolkien family via the Tolkien Estate, and the book rights have been sold in a worldwide deal to the Tolkien publishers HarperCollinsUK. There are no plans for the foreseeable future to license any other rights in the work (whether film or otherwise).' The Tolkien Estate
Yeah, this could be fun! Did anyone else hear the rumour that PJ and Co. are actually going to do it in the year 2006 or something?
Ummm yeah.... 2006 has come and gone and I doubt they are still any closer or ever come closer than just rumours floating around.
Plus like you said, all those characters. Everyone in the Silmarillion has a story, or is involved in some important subplot, or whatever. And there's always little snippets of background history or whatever that Tolkien mentions, and those past events very often explain why people said or did something later on.
Personally, I think trying to make a movie out of it simply wouldn't do it justice. Unless the movie was like 20+ hours. I suppose, they could do it as a mini-series, but even then that would be one LONNNGGGGGGGGG mini-series. (Not to mention confusing as heck for anyone who never read the book!)
And Aragorn, what you said about "one story per movie", yeah that's pretty much what I was saying earlier (like 3-4 posts back in this thread). I just happened to use Akallabeth, but I agree 100% that Túrin would be a great movie, as would Beren & Luthien. Possibly the story of Tuor & Gondolin too.
Right now, I guess Túrin would be the most logical choice because of the book that just came out. But honestly, people hate sad endings in movies, so I don't know if that would be such a good choice after all. At least with Beren & Luthien they could end the movie with them coming back to life and settling on Tol Galen, as if to say "And they lived happily ever after". And with Tuor & Gondolin they could begin the story with Ulmo appearing at Vinyamar (ha ha ha, start it out with the gods, just like "Clash of the Titans"), and cover the journey to Gondolin, coming to the gates, etc, all the good stuff that was missing from the Silm, and then the battle & the sack of the city, the escape, and finish with the survivors coming to the sea. So at least that one would have a happy ending too. (The movie patrons don't need to know about the sons of Fëanor invading a few years later.)
Anyway.... Yes I definitely think some of the Silm stories could make excellent movies. Do you think we'll ever get our wish?
they could do a series of films like with Harry Potter and Starwars.
Harry Potter duelling with Darth Vader is so uncool. Wand vs Lightsabers... The Force wins!
So yes, a long running Friday night Soap Opera entitled, Silmarillion would be worth watching.