Thread: The Silmarillion????
whats it about... well, its mostly the history of middle earth.. something sort of like reading the bible of middle earth i guess.... It has the greatest victories, the greatest tragadies, the best love stories... coughberen&luthiencough!
It is definatly my favorite book, above LotR, and The Hobbit. I will admit though, its not an easy read by any streach... its a bit slow at the beginning, and drags sometimes.... but plow through it, because i guarantee you will love it once you finish it!
Gimli has about summed it up really. It covers the whole history of Middle Earth and the Undying Lands, from the moment they were created to the end of the period Lord of the Rings was set in. The first part, with insights into the Creation and the Valar and Maiar, is very biblical. From then on it proceeds to tell tales of the first great elven lords, their creations and their wars with Morgoth, the dark enemy. It tells the history of the first men and their interactions with the elves, and delves also into realms of romantic sagas.
Mid-book, it concerns itself with the history of Numenor and the great achievements and failings of that proud race, and from there, the settling of Gondor and Arnor by the Faithful. Right at the end, it covers the events of the war of the ring in its final chapter. Also included are details of the forging of the rings of power, and the wars between the dwarves and the orcs.
Like Gimli says, it is a bit of a slog to get through, with lots of confusing names and places, but if you persevere, you will find it a very rewarding read. One of the main things you will find, is it will enhance your enjoyment of Lord of the Rings itself by explaining many behind the scenes parts of that book (eg. who Gandalf and Saruman really are, What the Balrog is, Aragorn's broken sword, the House of Elrond, the importance of the One Ring etc etc.)
Hope you enjoy it.
How awful to find out that you`re married to your brother! That just broke my heart...oh and for those of you that haven`t read the Silm...don`t read this!
[Edited on 1/10/2002 by Celebrian]
is this book good? should i read it? What is it about? does it have anything to do with The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings ?
Some people found it a hard read; while others were enthralled by it. Why not visit our Reading Discussion Groups further down the forum index where Valedhelgwath has been leading a group through the reading of The Silmarilion. This should help you get through any hard spots.
If you should try reading The Silmarilion and decide to stop. Please return to it after a year or so and give it another try. You may find it has grown easier with the passage of time. Many of us have found that to be the case.
AinulindalŰ (Music of the Ainur
Valaquenta (History of the Valar)
Quenta Silmarillion (History of the Silmarils)
I. Of The Beginning of Days
II. Of AulŰ and Yavanna
III. Of The Coming Of The Elves and the Captivity of Melkor (Morgoth Bauglir)
IV. Of Thingol and Melian
V. Of Eldamar and the Princes of the EldaliŰ
VI. Of FŰanor and the Unchaining of Melkor
VII. Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor
VIII. Of the Darkening of Valinor
IX. Of the Flight of the Noldor
X. Of the Sindar
XI. Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor
XII. Of Men
XIII. Of the Return of the Noldor
XIV. Of Beleriand and its Realms
XV. Of the Noldor in Beleriand
XVI. Of Maeglin
XVII. Of the Coming of Men into the West
XVIII. Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin
XIX. Of Beren and L˙thien
XX. Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad
XXI. Of T˙rin Turambar
XXII. Of the Ruin of Doriath
XXIII. Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin
XXIV. Of the Voyage of Eńrendil and the War of Wrath
Akallabŕth (The Downfall of N˙menor)
Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age
I. The House of FinwŰ
II. The Descendants of OlwŰ and ElwŰ
III. The House of BŰor
IV. and V. The House of Hador and The People of Haleth
The Sundering of the Elves
Note on Pronunciation
Index on Names
Appendix: Elements in Quenya and Sindarin names
Map of Beleriand and the Lands to the North
I hope I haven't broken any copyright laws...
Tolkien brings the begining of Middle Earth to life....You can see the birth of the Elves...Valanor...the coming of Men.
THE GREATEST OF BOOKS!!! Much better than our Bible (hope I don't offend anyone),
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The only thing I didn't like about the Simarilion was how hard it was to get into. They give you a million characters all at once, and I had to kept going back to rediscover who they were.
In the Silmarillion Reading Discussion Group, I tried to list many of the names and places at the beginning of each section to make this easier for new readers. I think a few of the posts became jumbled a bit in the move to the new site, but it is still a useful guide if you are having difficulties with the book.
I think a few of the posts became jumbled a bit in the move to the new site, but it is still a useful guide if you are having difficulties with the book.
I'm new and I was just wondering what Assignments you where talking about. And I love the Silmarillion although I haven't gotten all the way thru it because i keep going beack to the beging to read my favorite parts
Last year we ran a Silmarillion Reading Discussion Group. To make things easier, I broke the chapters down in to 13 assignments covering 1 - 3 chapters. We then worked our way through the Silmarillion, discussing the various chapters as we went. Those posts are still around in the second to bottom section of the index page (Reading Discussion Groups in the Misc section). The posts within them have now all been sorted into the correct order following the jumbling of posts that occured during the transfer of files from the old site.
Thanks a lot and I'm really excited about joining this site!
Hi everyone! I just joined this site today when I was searching online for a reading guide for the Silmarillion.
Then you have come to the right place. Last year we ran a Silmarillion Reading Group. We have finished the book now, but the threads still remain as a great guide for new readers of the book. Find it in the second to bottom section on the menu page, labelled Reading Discussion Groups. Feel free to ask further questions or add your opinions in the relevent sections as I still regularly monitor those threads.
So I started the Silmarillion last week, and I have to admit that I get confused of where I am oriented on middle earth and Aman and also who's who as far as the Valar and Ainur, etc.
The first post in each assignment of the Reading Discussion Group gave a brief overview the relevent chapters and also a name/place guide.
For instance, Feanor travels north from Valinor to the harbor of the white ships and then sails to middle earth. I thought that in order to get to Valinor to middle earth, you needed to go in a norterly-type direction.
Aman lies to the West of Middle Earth. Both are large places however, so like going from America to Africa, it depends really on where you are leaving from and going to, as to whether you go NE, E or SE.
Also, I know that there are 7 Valar, but how many Ainur were there (again, I think I accidently misread something)?
And, as far as where Morgoth's realm is on middle earth, where is that in the overall map of middle earth, b/c on the map in my book the location is not so clear and I must have been confused when I read it.
Anyway, I know that's a lot, but if anyone could help me out I would really appreciate it. Thanks a lot and I'm really excited about joining this site!
No Problem. Look forward to seeing you around. Check out the Reading Discussion Group. Many of your answers will be there.
Click here to read it, it is just a few posts down the page.
One of the best Tolkien's works. It was put together after J.R.R. Tolkiens death by Christopher Tolkien. The best chapters Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Turin Turambar, Ainulindale etc.
For those younger Tolkien fans who haven't read The Silmarillon I have some advice. Pick it up and read a chapter. Absorb it and read it again. Then move onto the next chapter and repeat. You will find familiar names, names you've heard tale of in TLOTR and The Hobbit, and there are lots of names. Don't let info overload put you off. Every time you read it you will find something new. An answer to a question you may have had reading the other books and of course many other questions.
Once you have read and grasped it, the beauty of The Silmarillion is that you can simply open at any page and read a section and you will find that amazingly something new makes sense.
I truly hope that after Christopher Tolkien retires, one of Professor Tolkien's Grandchildren picks up the stories again and takes this grand universe even further.
That's a really great idea Brego!
Sounds way more efficient than my first time method of putting sticky notes at strategic places in the index and flipping back to it every time I wasn't sure who/what/where something was. In fact doing this almost made things more confusing! Then one day it all just clicked. And here I am now...
Oh, good idea Brego. I was really confused with so many names in this book but itself is unique. I think I should read it again! when I come back home -to Portugal/Spain- I will pick up the book from the shelf in my parents' house.
If you have read the Silmarillion, make sure to check out The Book of Lost Tales (the first two volumes of the History of Middle-Earth). The Silmarillion often pales in comparison to the richness, vibrancy, and emotional impact of those tales. Besides, in the Silmarillion you often come across phrases like "as is told in the Lay of Leithian", or "much is told in The Fall of Gondolin". If you're anything like me, you thought "what are those tales, and where can I find them?" The Fall of Gondolin, which was in fact the first tale Tolkien had written, is included in the first two volumes of HoME, collectively titled The Book of Lost Tales. The Lay of Leithian is included in the third volume, The Lays of Beleriand.
Those books can be bought online for fairly cheap, or borrowed in the library.