The following posts were removed here from the Green Dragon Tavern/Return of what you are reading right now. On 25/11/02 at 04.35 ProgHead777 wrote,
Class: Intro to Music Theory
The Music Kit - a good resource text for IMT.
Oh, joy. When they come at you with the circle of fifths, fend them of with a large heavy stick. Trust me, it's the most ridiculous invention ever. On 25/11/02 at 08.41 Glofinel wrote,
Right On, My Proggy-brother-from-another-mother! It is quite silly. How do I remember the Sharps and flats? I made a little mnemonic. #s George Deliver An Elephant Before Fred Croaks! Flats - Fred Beats Elephant and does good coke! (I didn't come up with that. A bandmate did) My Proff is real cool, though. She's Like: "Do what you need to remember, if this helps, great! If not, find something that does. On 25/11/02 at 20.25 Ross wrote
I was put of trying to learn a musical instrrumentas at primary school, I was kicked out of Violin after three months. Then kicked out of Viola after one month and told I had no musical talent what so ever. Pretty harshe to an eight year old, I always asked her why can't we be tought how to play good instruments like the bass guitar?
Ah well I can fold my ears I bet she can't! But I am also going deaf at the age of nineteen, nothing to do with playing Faith No More loud enough to shake the foundations of Utumo. That's just so I can hear it, That's genetics for you lancky but deaf! On 26/11/02 at 01.35 Proghead wrote
Glorfinel, I have to admit I never really got my head around what the circle of fifths was supposed to represent. To me, it seemed an overly complicated system of memorizing fifth intervals and corresponding fourths. I play guitar, and I play a lot of power chords, so I know fifths LOL! It's also supposed to be useful in creating chord progressions, but since I'm not a jazz guitarist, I couldn't care less about the details of chord progressions. I can't read music either, unless you count tabulature.
I've never taken a music theory course or even a single music lesson, though I've wanted to, I just don't have the time. Everything I know about music theory I've learned on my own: scale patterns, time sigs, intervals, chord theory, etc. I'm sure the circle of fifths is useful to someone, but I'll be **** ed if I can figure out how.
Ross, if you can tap your foot in time with a beat (or bang your head, whatever you prefer ) and hum a recognizable melody...lets say, mary had a little lamb... then you have everything you need to be a musician (though not necessarily a great one ). In fact, timing (AKA, rhythm) is most important. You can hit the occasional bum note and no one will notice, but if you hit one single note out of beat, EVERYONE will notice. Go for guitar or bass... they're easiest to teach yourself....though the most difficult to master. And trust me, it's very theraputic! I'd be lost without my guitar! On 26/11/02 at 03.38 Grondmaster wrote,
Or you can be like me and let your computer do the hard work of the playing in real time, I just plug in the notes from the score telling the computer when to play them and on which instruments. Having only six instruments available at any one instant on my Commodore 64/128 increases the challenge, but my Concerto de Aranjuez for Guitar and Orchestra by Joaquin Rodrigo (1901-1999) wasn't half bad and my Beethoven Symphonies seem to work. My Vivaldi and J.S. Bach concerti are better. On 26/11/02 at 14.29 Ross wrote,
I do a great Lancashire Male Shirley Bassey impression.
Gouuulllld Fiinnnggeeerrrr, Dur Dur Dah, Heee'sss Derr wooonee Wiiidddd derr MMyyyyddaasss Toooouuchhheeee.
Translated: Gold finger, dur dur dur, he's the one with the Midas touch. On 27/11/02 at 0215 Glorfinel wrote,
LOL!!! Ross, Thatr was a riot.
Well, Prog, I am a Singer, primarily. I toy with guitar, keyboards and flute (thank you Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull, One of the greatest bands in the world). I saw Yes in concert this past summer (another of the greatest bands in the world) and was just blown away. Took my jaded POV of music performance and shook it all up. Much for the better. I had the long held mistaken notion that a singer didn't need to know theory. Then I realized that I wanted to create original music and I wanted it to be the best that I could make. Best that I can make means knowing the most that I can. So, I am taking hard-core Music theory. Most of it actually clicks in my brain really well.
I must agree with you Prog, Bass and Guitar are people friendly instruments. Piano is pretty cool too. It's all linear. On 28/11/02 at 16.09 Proghead wrote,
I toy with guitar, keyboards and flute (thank you Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull, One of the greatest bands in the world). I saw Yes in concert this past summer (another of the greatest bands in the world) and was just blown away.
GLORFINEL! FRIEND! You are a Progressive Rock fan like me! (hence the name ProgHead )
If you like Jethro Tull and Yes, then there is a modern band that I just can't recommend enough called Spock's Beard. All of the things you love about Tull and Yes are present in SB with a slight modern rock twist. Unfortunately, the band just split because their singer/main songwriter, Neal Morse (a freaking genius, this man is) found another calling: his family. I can respect that. I recommend their second CD, "Beware of Darkness", and their fifth, appropriately titled "V". Their sixth, and apparently final CD called "Snow" was just released but I haven't gotten it yet (come on Christmas!). It's a two disc epic concept album
Morse also has....had... a side project called Transatlantic with members from America's Dream Theater, UK's Marillion, and Sweden's Flower Kings (hence the name Transatlantic ). Their second CD, called "Bridge Across Forever", is pure genius! On 28/11/02 at 20.25 Ross wrote,
Hey ProgHead my nephew has a guitar that if you strum the strings it plays old McDonald had a farm, Does that count? On 29/11/02 at 18.30 Glorfinel wrote,
OK, at this point I recommend moving this thread to the music one at the Golden Perch, 'cause I have to respond here and I don't presently have any new books, that I am reading, to talk about.
PROGHEAD 777!!! BUDDY!!! Well, you might be right. I do love Tull and Yes and I am interested in music of those styles that are clever and technically complicated. Though, actually, I listen to a really wide variety of music while remaining critical and seeking out the best in various genres. I listen to Classical, Classic Rock, Modern Rock, Metal, Industial, New Age, Folk, Bluegrass, Tradition Irish Folk and lots of other traditional cultural forms of music from Native American to Arabic Folk to Indian Sitar.
By Yes, I only have Fragile, 90125 and Big Generator. I liked them in the 80's with the release of Owner of a Lonely Heart, but had never heard their classic stuff. This past summer I got free tickets to a lot of great conncerts and I saw Bad Company, Foreigner, Chris Isaak, Santana and best of all Yes. The Classsic Yes. I was completely blown away. My reaction to seeing and hearing them in concert was the same as the first time that I saw the Baltimore Syphony Orchestra... stunned silence. I went out and got Fragile. Next will be Topigraghical Oceans.
By Jethro Tull I have 15 albums, primaily their older stuff. I have seen Tull 4 times in concert and they also know how to put on a really great show. I love them much and have for a while.
I am in 2 bands, right now, one does Classic Rock covers as we try to get our own original music together, which is in similar veins to our covers. We cover Rush, The Who, The Beatles, Jethro Tull and Yes. The other band is oriented towards the Industrial-Metal-Rock sound inspired by Tool, Type O Negative and Faith No More. It is quite different feel from the first band. It's funny. I'm 32 years old. Every one in the Classic rock band is 8-10 years older, everyone in the Industrial metal band is 8-10 years younger. Wacky!!!
I will check out Spocks Beard. I have never heard of them, but I already respect your opinion muchly and look forward to hearing their sound. On 29/11/02 at 19.17 Ross wrote,
The other band is oriented towards the Industrial-Metal-Rock sound inspired by Tool, Type O Negative and Faith No More
Fath no more rule I have all ther Albums!