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The elves weren't here because of the Ring. They where there to prepare for the awakening of the humans and to teach and help them. Aragorn will still need strong allies. And there are still plenty of orcs and other enemies to fight. And some elves never left Middle Earth at all (except if they died of course).,

Middle-Earth: The next generation
D'oh! I forgot that for a few minutes. Shocked Smilie Shaking Head Smilie I Whoops... thanks for re-clarifying, Amarië. Smile Smilie
For anyone who is interested, I have just heard a rumour that Decipher are releasing an "Elladan and Elrohir, Twin Sons of Elrond" card. No clear pictures yet though.
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The elves weren't here because of the Ring. They where there to prepare for the awakening of the humans and to teach and help them. Aragorn will still need strong allies. And there are still plenty of orcs and other enemies to fight. And some elves never left Middle Earth at all (except if they died of course).,

At that point, Elves and Men were totally estranged from each other. Only in the first age men and elves lived together in harmony and taught each other lots. Remember Nom the Wise ! Well, for the awakening of Men, Elves had nothing to do with that...

Anyway, after the destruction of the ring most elves left Middle-Earth. Celeborn and some other high elves still stayed a while in Middle-Earth (Celeborn even set-up a new woodland realm in Mirkwood) but after a while he was off to Galadriel as well. The only elves left behind in Middle-Earth in the 4th age, were some wood elves, probably lead by Thranduil. Some of these wood elves went on living in Ithilien, lead by Legolas. Legolas himself left Middle-Earth after Aragorn's passing. But anyway, most of the elves -safe Legolas- who stayed still never bothered with Men and Aragorn, as which was the case for centuries since the Last Alliance.

Remember what Galadriel said : "We must depart into the West, or dwindle to a rustic folk of dell and cave, slowly to forget and to be forgotten." The war of the ring is the last stand of the Free Peoples of Middle-Earth, after which the world will change and dominion will be granted to the race of Men. Elves and Dwarves will disappear (Elves leave, Dwarves probably get extinct due to their peculiar mating habits). The remainder of dwarves and elves who stayed in the 4th age, probably just clinged to their dwellings, although the power of the Three had been undone, trying to swim against the current of the flood of fate, but of course without success : they were forced to go, all of them or disappeared.

Indeed, there were a lot of battles to fight, and lots of Orcs to be genocided, but as in the 4th age dominion over Arda was given to Men, elves didn't bother (too busy with clinging). The wars were between Men anyway, Gondorans vs Easterlings, and for the remains of the Orcs, Faramir probably had a big part in hunting them down, as he lived closest to Mordor (the ones in the Misty Mountains would probably never leave their holes again).
Although it is true, that elves never seem to really grow up. Legolas gives us a few anoying examples of this, like when he smiles at the rest of the company as they struggle through the snow over the Caradhras pass and then makes a joke. Not funny Legolas! I bet the others felt like pelting him with snowballs, if they hadn't been so exhausted. And that crack about the hobbits (Merry and Pippin who were in grave danger) growing wings or something. Aragorn and Gimli should be commended for tolerating this with so much grace.
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very true Allyssa. (sorry for going off topic) consider this, i think it came from one of Tolkien's letters or rough draft ...

'It is a pity,' said Legolas, 'that Gandalf cannot go before us with a bright flame, and melt us a path.'
'It is a pity that Elves cannot fly over mountains, and fetch the Sun to save them,' answered Gandalf. 'Even I need something to work on. I cannot burn snow. But I could turn Legolas into a flaming torch, if that will serve: he would burn bright while he lasted.'
'Spare me!' cried Legolas. 'I fear that a dragon is concealed in the shape of our wizard. Yet a tame dragon would be more useful at this hour.'
'It will be a wild dragon, if you say any more,' said Gandalf.
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About our not growing up, I would rather think of it as Childlikeness rather than childISness.
And anyway I have always firmly believed that when dear JRR wrote that he got temporarily mixed up while drinking sherry sent to him by a friend who honestly used to send him and Edith lovely drink, and well the hobbit in him got silly and he wrote that. It does not fit with Legolas's personality I think.
As for the twins of Elrond, I think they and their sister were the absolute best that could come forth from the parents-gentle yet courageous, mannerly yet strong of will concerning orcs and their elimination. Wise yet never putting forth their wisdom but being ruled by modesty.
I think they were devestated by the harm to their mother whom they obviously loved with all their hearts and their quest to rid Middle-Earth of Orcs took precedence over any personal happiness that might have been theirs had this tragedgy not occurred.
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I think they were devestated by the harm to their mother whom they obviously loved with all their hearts and their quest to rid Middle-Earth of Orcs took precedence over any personal happiness that might have been theirs had this tragedgy not occurred.

They did not have such a quest. Not only were they wise enough to eschew such folly, but their father would not have condoned it either.

For the same, Aragorn didn't go troll-hunting his entire life just because daddy was foolish enough to get killed, did he?
Maybe not, but after their father Elrond left Middle-earth, they and the remainder of the Dúnedain helped King Elessar to root out the remaining evil from the Kingdom, which would also have included Orcs as well as Easterlings and the Southrons.
I think this quest was deeep within their hearts nomatter what rules they obeyed of their father , and when he was gone they had much more freedom to do what they did. It was , still to me, a quest.
Vir do you ever feel like meeting me in a dark alley and tar and feathering me, or throwing me in the nearest dumpster?
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Maybe not, but after their father Elrond left Middle-earth, they and the remainder of the Dúnedain helped King Elessar to root out the remaining evil from the Kingdom, which would also have included Orcs as well as Easterlings and the Southrons.

There were no Orcs, Easterlings and Southrons in Gondor; but there were various creepy crawlies in ye olde Eriador.

Peace was made with the Easterlings and Southrons, eventually, though.

As for the Orcs, I do not know whether King Elessar started an Orcocaust or whether he just left them in peace in their grottos and caverns. After all, the queen bee had been obliterated and they had no one left to unite them; hence they'd return to their tribal society, which undoubtedly consisted of much fighting amongst themselves, negating any serious threat to overall peace in Middle-earth. It was just a matter of divide and conquer.

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Vir do you ever feel like meeting me in a dark alley and tar and feathering me, or throwing me in the nearest dumpster?

No, I really dislike dirtying my hands. That's why I use hired goons.
Somehow I shall for ever more see you with that felt face and really well groomed fingernails.Smile Smilie
And I noted you did not say you DON'T want to deal with me. help. somebody help.
So what exactly happened to them in the end?
Since they had no reason to stay in Middle-earth (no mortal sweethearts), save for their capricious and haughty sister, I take it they eventually left to see daddy & mommy in the Undying Lands.

Im not really sure but I have seen all of the lord of the ring movies and I have been hearing that Elladan and Elrohir is in all of the movies...If they are then where are they cause I cant seem to find them

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