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Suilad, mellon! I'm Meneldur, and I've been fairly obsessed with all things Tolkien since I was around 10 years old (so that would be, like 25 years now Shocked Smilie )

I've read LotR and Sil many many many times each, UT, and most of the HOME series. Pretty soon I plan to start The Children of Hurin -- my fiancee picked it up recently, but I "confiscated" it so I could read it first LOL!

I've been reading these forums (and others) for several years now, and I love hearing what other Tolkien fans have to say about the books, the characters, the gaps in the history, etc. Tolkien left us with such a rich universe, it's no surprise that people are still discussing (and debating) it all these years later. I look forward to joining in.

-Meneldur Elf Winking Smilie
HEYA Meneldur Elentirmo Waving Hello Smilie
Tolkien left us with such a rich universe, it's no surprise that people are still discussing (and debating) it all these years later. I look forward to joining in.

I'm so glad that you did joined us at PT Smile Smilie I'm looking forward to see you in the threads Smile Smilie Feel free to ask anything . SHARE AND ENJOY..See you around mate
Welcome to our happy family Meneldur enjoy your stay with us; drinik deep and set down roots if you're able. Happy Elf Smilie
Welcome to PT! It would seem that we have another person fluent in the Elven tongue!
Linhanta ("many thanks") for the warm welcome everyone. Believe me I wish I was more fluent! I guess it's time to bone up on my Quenya.... Cool Smilie
Ah, I see modesty is another of your virtues! If you haven't already noticed, Meneldur, then I'll tell you: I have not yet seen a fellow alien from PT speak Quenya as you have. We seem to have welcomed another Tolkien scholar! Watch out, Vir!
A delayed welcome to you, enjoy the threads as we all do... I am slowly learning Quenya, but when I mean slowly I mean sloooooowly... I focus on the writing aspect, I can do that fluently now, taken me a while to research but about 2-3 months practising and I know the full modes for Quenya and half of Sindarin... slow but it's progress...

Enjoy the threads Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
(blush) Elf Winking Smilie (/blush)
( Hey how come there isn't a blushing smiley?? LOL)

Thank you, thank you Cloveress. Like I mentioned in my first post, it's been about ~25 years (human years, not Eldar y’n!) since I first discovered Tolkien. There's just so much in there, so much information and history, I could read and study and absorb and discuss this stuff for the rest of my life and still have more to learn! I think I enjoy it so much because JRRT approached it the way I would, if I was a writer -- not content to simply tell a story, he felt compelled to come up with a whole background and history and cultural significance for everything. A 'History of the World' in microcosm, and he paid so much attention to even the smallest details.

After first reading Hobbit/LotR as a teenager, I REALLY knew I was in for a treat when I finally discovered The Silmarillion in high school. The fact that it starts with the Creation myth, well that right there tells you it's something special. Definitely a "Biblical" kind of approach, it reminded me of reading the Greek Myths when I was a youngster.

So I guess it just kinda took off from there... All these years later, and I still can't get enough of Middle-Earth. The release of the HoME series definitely helped, but I've only gotten through the first half of it...still need to do the second half! I find the evolution of JRRT's writing to be just as fascinating as the story itself. I've never been able to peek into the other side of a book before, to see what was going through an author's mind, how the story developed over the years. It definitely gives me a much better appreciation of the story as a whole, to read all that.

Anyway... even though I'm new to this forum, I certainly hope your praise is well-earned. I'll do my best to contribute, both facts as well as my opinions & interpretations. And I have no intention of supplanting Vir as one of your foremost scholars, LOL! Happy Elf Smilie

M’ra mesta, tenna siny’ (Goodbye until this evening)

I know some may simply be using the word 'fluent' loosely, but it can also send out the wrong message that leaning Quenya or Sindarin is like learning Italian or even Latin. Being fluent in a language means to be able to speak or write smoothly, easily, or readily... even someone studying French in school, and is good at it in class, might find that he or she is not really ready however, to easily converse with people who actually speak French fluently.

But learning about Tolkien's languages is not the same thing in any case.

Since Tolkien never fixed his languages firmly or described them completely enough to provide any such comprehensive and corrective model (that never being his goal), and since thus even Tolkien himself was never able to speak Quenya or Sindarin fluently or casually (that too never being his goal), it is consequently a further inescapable fact that no one has or ever will be able to speak Quenya and Sindarin, any more than anyone will ever (again) be able to speak, say, Etruscan or any other fragmentarily-attested non-living language.'

Part of the FAQ at The Elvish Linguistic Fellowship

My purpose is certainly not to discourage (especially in a welcome thread). Rather I would encourage people to learn about Elvish: it's fun, rewarding, challenging!

But as a 'friend' of Tolkien's languages myself, I like to distinguish even the least bit of Neo-elvish from actual Elvish (and there's a ton of Neo-elvish on the web). In short there are a number of folks who are good at Neo-elvish, and have fun with it; and there's nothing wrong with it of course. But that said, there is no one fluent in Elvish however.

Only Elves!
...there is no one fluent in Elvish however.

Only Elves!
And that's only if they live in an Elvish only society where Men haven't yet watered down the Elvish by bringing their Westron words into the Elvish vocabulary like all the words the colonies brought into English. Similarly to this, is how my American culture is detrimentally seeping into the World culture, but that might get us in to a verboten debate, so I better drop this line of thinking.