Thread: How should Smaug look
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Please please please don't make Smaug look like a Hyena!!!
I realize on some forums triple exclamation marks are banned, but Dear Old Cat, there is a serious intent hidden beneath my whimsy, and I need to be sure you see just how exclamatory my exclamation was! I asume you know exactly what I'm getting at (you subtle feline you!), but this is so important I just can't take any chances!
Oh my goodness, haven't I seen heaps of dragon illustrations? Surely one of them might be used as a template! But please, no "whale-like lizards" or "lizard-like chimpanzees", or "dinosaur-like dingoes", or "hyena-like hyenas"!
I'm so preoccupied with upset and anger at the thought, I'm not even sure I spelt 'exclamation' or 'exclamatory' right...!
John Howe got him right i think...............
but fingers are crossed for an obvious man in a suit aaaiiiiieeeeeeeee........Smaug...there goes Tokyo.......
personally i love Justin Gerard's version of Smaug
Oh GB, I imagine Smaug as large and sinuous, not bronzed and muscular! (T never mentioned anything about old Smaug going to the gym - and where would he have got the tanning lotion from?)
And, no, Mr Cat, I wouldn't have called Smaug chubby; and I don't think any dragon would like being called 'chubby'! Mind you, on second look, he does look a trifle gay... I wonder if old Smaug would find that suggestion offensive...?
And Smaug from the Rankin Bass Hobbit cartoon was about the only bit of it I really cared for.
I wouldn't call the Hildebrandt Smaug chubby though. That's like calling a Steroidal Schwarzenegger fat . The fact is the painting fits well with the traditional Nordic version of Dragons. I do agree though, that I would like to see a more Languid and Slithery Smaug in The Hobbit films also.
I'm hoping we get something Dangerous and Realistic looking along the lines of Vermithrax from Dragonslayer or the Dragons in Reign of Fire. A couple of other exceptionally vicious and realistic film Dragons include Fafnir from the Zemekis version of Beowulf, and the Hungarian Horntail from Goblet of Fire (the best part of an otherwise weak Potter outing).
I also think he should not look evil, spiny, dark, etc. He should be a very regal and proud being.
Maybe, and I'm saying [i:3twkkyak]maybe[/i:3twkkyak], please don't tear me apart for it, even a [i:3twkkyak]touch [/i:3twkkyak]of this:
I know these aren't even depicting The Hobbit, but they can still be considered.
How he looks is important, but even more so is how DT depicts Smaug's personality (from the book!). Let's see his humor, urbanity and slyness! Please don't make him too evil! He's hungry (food-wise)(not çhubby-wise!), and greedy (wealth-wise), but not particularly evil when compared with the likes of Sauron, I would have thought. If he's painted too darkly, I think we'll miss his 'dark' sense of humor.
(i bet he'll have runes carved into his skin,along with his gems)
Your last post seems to both praise and scorn the director all in the one breath. Are you crippled by both hope and doubt?
Hang on, is this about that thing i said?
One can sometimes have too much going on in one's head, Old Cat, and perhaps you're beginning to believe you're not yourself at all, but someone else completely.
Almost anyone can be prone to this condition. It's because we're just Mortal folk and can all of us be quite frail (intellectually) at times.
Anybody else got anything dragon related to say?
As to dragons - I'm still on Brado1's side.
Another slip up by Tinuviel!
while searching Google found some really nice images of Weta's bronze sculpture of Howe's Smaug
i another image i like is the original Rankin and Bass sketch of Smaug...
but hated the cartoons final cat faced fat dragon look
the Smaug that [url=http://www.davidwenzel.com/hobbit2.html:1m0lsc3c]David Wenzel[/url:1m0lsc3c]had done in the Graphic Novel wasn't bad, but certainly not my favorite.
I don't know who did this version....
I think that Smaug should have a lizardesque appearance. He should be a very long lean dragon whose bones have been exaggerated with age (in the same way that Gandalf's eyebrows protrude out from his face). His face should be sharp and exaggerated including an aspect of bonyness, he should look fairly withered and gaunt but at the same time he shouldn't look weak or frail, including some aspects of powerfulness too. His face should be very expressive and as a result look very sinister. He should have a long snout that points away from his face of which includes rows of very sharp teeth (obviously! ) and he should have gleaming great eyes (of which should be very scary for the viewer and not least for poor Bilbo! ). His body should have a very long tail and his claws should be sharp and shiny. His scales should be gleaming a beautiful golden colour and include the impression that they are very hard. I think getting someone to [i:2yuq8vya]sound[/i:2yuq8vya] the part is also very important I think that maybe John Rhys Davies or Christopher Lee would be very fitting actors for the role.
They were a creation of Morgoth, Sauron was Morgoths second in command, Sauron also created the Felbeasts. I am just thinking Sauron quite possibly took some inspiration of Morgoth's creations So perhaps we will see a bit of Felbeast blended in there. Wing spikes anyone.
Either way Smaug cant just be a big bulk with a sharp tounge. He cleared the mountain of dwarves, so he must have fought them on thier own ground inside the mountains thin tunnels with out much space. He is going to have to look deadly even on the ground.
I reckon his wings should fold flat almost like a fan, but with razor sharp spines down its length for swiping at foes.
Oh and I think it would be cool if he had scales along his neck that start to flair as he becomes angry.
And btw sorry for patronising you for suggesting McKellen, Odo Banks . Now I think about, I think it's a good suggestion, maybe McKellen has more talent in bad guys than he's letting on .
Regards (and apologies)
be hard to come up with an original idea of a dragon. We dont want Smaug
to look like a dragon weve seen from another movie, do we?
Mr. Bandobras Took
Actually, Smaug is one character I'm not too concerned about. I think he'll be right up Del Toro's alley as far as how he 'looks.' I'm even confident they'll keep his personality close to that in the book. Why do I have this confidence? I don't know why, I just do.
Smaug's voice? Ian McKellen would be perfect! I can imagine a certain 'Gandalf' like quality to old Smaug's face and voice. I'm full of queer thoughts - maybe Smaug might even remind one of his Maker, old T himself!
I do [i:38jlcsd2]sort of[/i:38jlcsd2] agree with you now thinking about it, maybe Smaug isn't as conventional as I had thought before and said in my last post, he is quite a bit more exciting in personality sense I suppose, but generally speaking doesn't virtually every evil dragon include almost all, if not every one of these characteristics? You were suggesting these characteristics were surprising, I think these are the characteristics you would definitely expect a dragon to have.
I do also disagree that looks aren't as important as personality. What something looks like can also give you an idea of its personality, in most cases in fantasy (not in every day society of course), if something looks mean -it probably is (apart from Roald Dahl's BFG and Shrek of course, they're obvious but rare exceptions!), i.e. if you happen to be roaming the African savannah for example, and you bump into an animal with sharp claws and sharp teeth you expect it to use them.
By the way I like the thought about Ian McKellen Odo' , because Ians Gandalf wassuch a Stream-lined and sinuous, wiry and wily and wise, huge and hungry, jewell-encrusted and ego-centric character wasn't he (Just joking by the way , I'm know you were joking )
P.S. Seriously though, what do you think about Christopher Lee as Smaug? (Btw I have noted there is a Voice of Smaug forum I be sure to post any further thoughts there*)
Mr. Bandobras Took
I'm not sure that the BFG or Shrek looked particularly monstrous - definitely not our BFG. He was just big and stringy.
I was serious about McKellen for Smaug's voice btw. Smaug the Smooth. Not Smaug the Big Bad and Ugly for me.