Thread: You found Tolkien where?
Was reading a sci-fi book last night, A Maze of Death by Philip K. Dick, and about 5 pages into it the main character gets spiritual guidance from a 'visrecord' from the past. Lo and behold the 'phonograph' starts spewing the following:
"...Legolas is right. We may not shoot and old man so, at unawares and unchallenged, whatever fear or doubt be on us. Watch and wait!"
It continues on in the background "'What have you to say that you did not say at our last meeting? ... Or Perhaps you have things to unsay?' Gandalf said." [protagonist shuts off 'phonograph' and mulls over situation] I like it he (the protagonist) said. I want it. Gandalf he thought, I have nothing to unsay; prayers are not often answered and I will take this."
Firstly I think it is cool that this fictional future has part of it's thought structure based upon tolkien. Secondly I'm curious as to whether others have found indirect tolkien references in other books.
Another that i can remember is that Melkor wanted to be Illuvator the same as the Devil wanted to be ruler of everything and went against the Holy Ones and was banished to the Earth or Arda for Melkor, sounds the same with the 'In the Beggining' part of Arda and Bible
Gog and Magog are place names in scripture, by the way, though they are in service of the devil. So far as I now Morgoth was never in Gorgoroth; indeed, it seems unlikely he would leave his northern hidey hole for another set to with Ungoliant. ;-p
Secondly I'm curious as to whether others have found indirect tolkien references in other books.
I believe a character in Terry Brooks' "Sword of Shannara" novel is called Durin. He's an Elf, though, instead of a Dwarf.
In fact, "Sam Gamgee" was the name of a real person when LOTR came out - JRRT actually received a letter of this person.
Then it said he worried greatly over the possibility of receiving a letter from someone called Smeagol or Gollum! That would have been very funny, but more than one would certainly make it seem like less than a coincidence that he was ascribing certain things to real people.
While other than what has been offered is all I too know of references like that, I hear a lot of people now when writing stories or papers that seem to weave Tolkien and his characters into their work but in such a way that one really could not do a thing about it. Tolkien certainly did borrow things like the ring itself from ancient Norse and such mythology. There really is nothing new under the sun it seems.