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I wanted to know what your opinions are of Peter Jackson adding in Thranduil's wife history into the final installment of the hobbit. As many of you may know, Legolas's mother/Thranduil's wife has no mention in any of the Tolkien's work. Jackson is making some connection between the Jewels that were promised to Thranduil by the dwarves were originally intended for his wife who is now dead. This left a big rift with people on Tumblr. Personally, I think by now we should expect this many deviations from the book. The first two movies have already done that, and I love to see more depth to the characters. Especially because of the way they portrayed Thranduil in the movies. Thoughts?

How interesting  I do not know but I went from  purist to liking some of the additional stuff  it seems some of  JRR's grandchildren do too. I wish all of the characters were really fleshed out, but money  and time is the problem

I feared at first that the Jewels we see in the Casket offered to Thranduil at the start of AUEJ were the Nauglimir, The Necklace Of The Dwarves, fashioned by King Thingol in the First Age. This necklace later carried a Silmaril and was ultimately lost. The Dwarves of course fell under the greed lust spell of The Sillmaril and killed Thingol and tried to steel the Jewel and necklace, which they had actually fashioned in Thingols Halls for Menegroth. Thrandil indeed possibly was there at the time, as he was akin to Thingol. The Nauglimir was made up of many coloured  and white jewels, some of which came out of Valinor. Thank goodness PJ actually has stated that it is not the Nauglamir, it is rather a necklace Thraduil had fashioned in memory for his departed Wife. This is what has caused the rift between the two peoples. I suspect as PJ is not allowed to use The Silmarillion due to legal reasons he has had to come up with another story.

I think that mut be the only answer legally,  Do you know anything you an sharw about his lady?

Leelee, are you asking about Thranduil's wife?

Lee Lee I dont think Tolkiennever mentioned Legolas's Mother, but obviously he had one. Another reasone PJ had to add to the story.

Does anyone have a screenshot of the necklace in the movie or a picture of Thorin holding it as he mulls over what Thranduil will pay for it? It was so beautiful!
it is a given that Thranduil obviously had a wife, however beyond the fact that Thranduil had a son, Legolas, by her, she is an invisible character in Tolkien's writings. She must have been amazing to have been Thranduil's wife. Smile Smilie
I didn't find her brief addition to the storyline bad at all. It did help gIve a more insight and depth to Thranduil's character. I liked that.
 I think that must be the only answer legally...

Hmm. So far I see no proof that the filmmakers even wanted to include the Nauglamir in their adaptation of The Hobbit. They might have, they might not have; all I'm saying is that no one has yet posted (in this thread) if this is even a fact.

But even if the filmmakers wanted to include the Nauglamir but couldn't, and even if Thranduil's wife is not mentioned in the books (which part is obviously true), neither thing necessarily means Peter Jackson had to have any story about any necklace in the first place, or that he could not have simply included the necklace as it is treated in Tolkien's The Hobbit.

Of course Jackson can choose to invent a story about a necklace and Thranduil's wife, but I doubt anyone is arguing that he had to (in the sense that it's necessary), simply because he could not employ the Nauglamir.

Plus it would be one thing to simply refer to the Nauglamir, another to invent a history for it.

Hi Galin. I think that any concern regarding the Naulamir simply came from the fact that it was a necklass within the casket, it also contained white gems, it was withheld from Thranduil and he was Angry. So far none of the films have explained what "The Dark Years" actually means. This has been mentioned a number of times in various films. I suppose the non reading public perhaps needed a reason...

So for those of us who have now seen the final film...Spoiler Alert.....



We do indeed see a rather crazed Thorin handling the necklace. I think he names it and I think the name could be the name of Thraduil's wife.

I really wish we had seen the final resting place of Thorin and his nephews, Thorin with the Arkenstone on his chest. I also would have liked to have seen Balin perhaps find and hand the necklace to Thranduil. It would have been a touching thank you for the help of the Elves.

Also I sat to the absolute end of the credits hoping to see The Eye or Sauron's spirit in the foundations of his tower in Mordor beginning or planing his return...... Oh well.

Hopefully in the EE we will get to see Thorin put to rest with the Arkenstone and maybe with orcist. One thing I see that might not happen would be the showing of respect between elves and dwarves. This is because in the beginning of LOTR trilogy, hatred/hostility was for one another is shown. It wasn't until the end that it showed how Gimli(dwarves) and Legolas(elves) had respect for each other.

Anyone recall the name Brego refers to?

I'm interested in the Elvish.

The gems of Lasgalen?

Ah thanks Glorfindel, someone brought this up over at TORN too. I don't know if the filmmakers intended this to be a name of Thranduil's wife as well, but in any case this appears to be connected to the names of the wood.

We don't know much of the Wood Elven Speech [I'll skip that confusion here], but the internal chronology for known Elvish names seems to be (see Unfinished Tales, Disaster Of The Gladden Fields, note 14):

Eryn Galen "Green Wood" [eryn "forest, wood of trees"]

then (after shadows and so on)...

Taur-e-Ndaedelos "Forest of the Great Fear" (note not "Mirkwood" exactly)

and after, at the end of the War of the Ring...

Eryn Lasgalen

So the introduction of las- 'leaf' compared to the earlier 'good name' seems to have marked out a new name for the wood. Legolas itself meaning 'Greenleaves', with leg- being dialectal [Silvan] for Sindarin laeg 'green'.

Of course this is mixing author-published work with posthumously published text (unless Eryn Galen appears in The Lord of the Rings or in something published by JRRT himself that I've maybe forgotten at the moment).

Although that said too, "Greenwood the Great" is of course published by Tolkien himself... and "Mirkwood" (yet not Greenwood) is noted as variant in translation when compared to the Elvish names, in Appendix F On Translation

Interesting Galin. maybe PJ was hedging his bets....

I wish Tolkien had gone just a little more into Elvish naming customs... despite that we have (basically) two texts to work with, outside of examples!

But then again, all of HME is too short for me.

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