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Well, As I was talking about Biblo swearing he saw a Bear Like Creature coming along on the road (Beorn) in a different thread, it suddenly came to me, that Frodo could have swore in the Mines of Moria, he heard a "Pitter-Patter" of feet going on behind him. I know some other similarities, I just want to see if every other Tolkien Reader is so attentive in their reading <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> . Happy Reading!
How about this one:

Mad dash through the underneath of a mountain, only to lose a memeber of the group along the way. Later, that member will rejoin.

Misty Mountains/Moria
how about the most obvious one? "The Eagles are coming!!!"
I thought the story was over... what do you mean something is rotten in Hobbiton?
Heroic man who plays a vital role in helping the Quest along and turns out to be the heir to a kingdom which now survives in some lesser form, who after the success of the Quest restores said kingdom.

Bard, Lake-town, Aragorn, Gondor and Arnor. :mrgreen:
I've noticed these as well. The goblin town = mines of moria
beorn = ents, having to cross the Misty Mountains, the eagles, the loss of Gandalf. I've always looked at it as a grand grand retelling of the Hobbit. And enjoyed it all the more.
Hmm, perhaps I am missing something Elanor, but how exactly are the Ents and Beorn related? Sure they have things to do with nature... but... then you could say that pebble that moved over there has something related to do with Beorn... :oops: . I would appreciate it if you could explain/expand on that, I'm always looking for more knowledge! <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
The Hobbit and LOTR were both written by the same man. :ugeek:

Sorry I was just being cheeky. Really though, there are many similarities to other stories in Tolkiens greater mythology, such as Beren and Luthien and Aragorn and Arwen. Im certain that you could draw paralells between Borimir and Turin.

Remember that the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings is the end of the story, a story that tolkien had been writing since 1918 or so in France. While I dont think that he intended LOTR to be what it became, the greater tapestry of the mythology that he was writing, the hobbit was "woven in". In fact, LOTR was an attempt at the beginning to write a sequal to the hobbit, a variation on a theme as it were.
[i:25q1e9zu]Hmm, perhaps I am missing something Elanor, but how exactly are the Ents and Beorn related? Sure they have things to do with nature... but... then you could say that pebble that moved over there has something related to do with Beorn... :oops: . I would appreciate it if you could explain/expand on that, I'm always looking for more knowledge! <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />[/i:25q1e9zu]

The ents and Beorn do have similarities...(bearing in mind Tolkiens extreme dislike of allegorical comparisons).

Both Beorn and the Ents represented in the story, a concept and a very powerful plot device. The concept they represent is the power of nature that tolkien loved, Both Beorn and Treebeard were powerful lords of the natural world, and were representatives of and provided a voice to things that could not speak for themselves.

Beorn and Treebeard also represented the plot device of rest and rejuvenation and unlooked for help. Unlooked for but not unknown (In both instances Gandalf knew of them). In both instances, characters gained insight through interaction with them. It was a place for characters to regroup and refresh (in treebeards case it was just the hobbits Merry and Pippin).

I am sure that they have other similarities. But thats all I can think of at the moment.
I was actually thinking the same thing Anaclangon 8-) . But I hadn't taken the time to reason it all out. But you have definitely hit on the key connection between Beorn, and Treebeard, and Tom Bombadil too for that matter. They sre all essentially Stewards of Nature. Their "job" on Middle Earth is to look after various aspects of the Natural World, and keep things in Balance.

What about 'An unexpected party' vs. 'A long-expected party'?

Although they may seem like opposites, both stories start with a party during which the main character is involved in hte current quest. Bilbo is hired as a thief, and is told the story of the Lonely Mountain, while Frodo inherits the ring, and is told the story (a chapter or two later) of Sauron and Isildur.

Although it is kind of off-topic, a huge difference in the two stories is that the Hobbit is about restoring something (the Lonely Mountain), whereas Lord of the Rings is about preventing something from being restored (Sauron's power).
"As long as it survives so will He"
As long as the Rings survives Sauron will. As long as the objects will Voldemort's soul in it survive so will he.

Arago... Aragorn and Aragog

Loose their parents
Both Harry and Frodo lost their parents.

Living Relatives
Neither like their living relatives (except Bilbo, who, Frodo doesn't know at first, is still alive)

Both have to attack a troll.

both have scars given by the enemy that hurts if they come close. Frodo has a scar where he got stabbed and Harry where Voldemort hit him with the curse.
Hi brah, welcome! This thread is about LOTR and [i:2lzum8kk]The Hobbit[/i:2lzum8kk], not [i:2lzum8kk]Harry Potter[/i:2lzum8kk]. <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' />
I guess we could start a new thread, Similarities Between LotR and harry Potter <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> .

Rowling said she hadn't read the Hobbit until after she wrote the first book. I read it somewhere. You know, when I first looked at the first couple of pages of her first Harry book, I was struck by how much it reminded me of the first few pages of the Hobbit.

Since we have gone off on one of our wonderful tangents I might as well post this (even if its a bit movie-centric). :P

Yes and that also describes Luke Skywalker and Peter Parker :P . That's because it's all The Hero's Journey ala Joseph Campbell's brilliant analysis of Mythology, they are all Archetypes :ugeek: .

I don't really follow Spider-Man, but in the case of Luke Skywalker at least I don't think there are [i:1b95u5ce]quite[/i:1b95u5ce] as many obvious similarities between it and LOTR as there are between HP and LOTR. The list on MuggleNet is far more specific than one for Star Wars would be, I think, yet it fits both stories.
I don't have time tonight, but believe me it's all there. I'll be back Sunday and I'll break it all down <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> .

Is Spider Man a relation of Ungoliant, her being the Mother of all Spiders and all?


NB This is indeed a curious thread!
I'll look forward to it, GB. <img src='/images/smileys/smile.gif' border='0' alt='Smile Smilie' />
Um... I hope I haven't given the film makers a new idea for their "expansions". Do you really think they would put Spider Man in, GB? I really hope not.


Oh God!

".... and Smaug swooped down in a hurricane of wings; but Spider Man, keeping his cool in the face of the great dragon's onslaughting furnace breath, sent out a super-strong strand of lycraweb, which wrapped up the great jaws. Spider Man pulled tight and the great jaws jammed closed. Smaug thrust and throbbed and plunged wordlessly into the waters of the lake; it was Spider Man's turn to make clever jibes as the waters steamed and frothed. Spider Man then sang a little song,

"Smaugy got all webbed and wound,
And now nary a word, nor wordy sound
Comes out his big fat mouth,
Which once was as big as a house,
But it's now in lycraweb bound,
(His silence is profound!)"

And the Men of Lake Town cheered with deep lusty voices, and the Women of Lake Town curtsied prettily and bustily, and a certain man, a fruiterer and bowman, by name Bard, sat in a corner and got drunk, repeating the same refrain over and over again: "Another second and I'd have got off a shot....just one more second...."

and so on and so forth....
They really should tap you to write the script Odo <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> :lol: .

As you can see, GB, my literary talents are of the highest quality (the very highest), and as to my poetry, well, even higher than the highest, if I say so myself (modestly). If PJ doesn't come and make an offer, more fool him. (Mind you, if he's reading this, he's probably going green with envy - he surely won't want some natural genius showing him up (I mean that humbly).