Thread: whatever happened to Tar-Aldarion?


I think if he'd been killed or drowned, Tolkien would probably have mentioned it.




Not only elven blood Val, they have ainu blood to



Sure they are all created by Il’vatar.....but there is a difference between the ainur and elves and men.....the ainur were Erus’ offspring in thought.....they are never refered as Erus’ children.......but the elves, men and dwarves are(the dwarves was adopted by Eru so they are his children to).......the ainur were more powerful than any other creatures except Eru....they were holy spirits....




The gift of men makes you wanna live life to the fullest: you get the best out of it. Short, but well lived.
The elves have mortality so basically they see the worlds around them change and even decline.
From the Letters of Tolkien 113:
.. we see a sort of second fall or at least 'error' of the Elves. There was nothing wrong essentially in their lingering against council, still sadly with the mortal lands of their heroic deeds. But they wanted to have their cake without eating it. They wanted the 'peace' and bliss and perfect memory of the West, and yet to remain on the ordinary world where their prestige as the highest people, above wild Elves, dwarves, and Men, was greater at the bottom of the hierarchy of Valinor. They
thus became obsessed with 'fading', the mode in which the changes of time (the law of the world under the sun) was perceived by them. They became sad, and their art (shall we say) antiquarian, and their efforts all really a kind of embalming - even though they also retained the old motive of their kind, the adonment of earth, and the healing of its hurts.
And in letter 144:
But I suppose that the Quendi (other word for Elves S.) are in fact in these hisories very little akin to the Elves and Fairies of Europe; and if I were pressed to rationalize, I should say that they represent really men with greatly enhanced aesthetic and creative functions, greater beauty and long life, and nobility - the Elder children (of Illuvatar S.), doomed to fade before the Followers (Men), and to live ultimately only by the thin line of their blood that was mingled with that of Men, among whom it was the only real claim to 'nobility'.
Nah, I'd rather have the gift of Death then the fate of the Elves. Being an Edain just sounds and feels more fun!

Nah, I'd rather have the gift of Death then the fate of the Elves. Being an Edain just sounds and feels more fun!
I agree. Forever young and pretty and smart... Not to mention the yummy looking elf men to flirt with. But you would also see people you get to know and the world around you wither and die before your eyes. Memories doesn't fade, you remember every good thing but also every bad thing like they happened yesterday... No, I don't want to live forever.




I think the elves themselves called the Valar gods but meaning it in a lesser way, not deities, powerful and able to do awesome things.
We as mortals outside of Middle-Earth have for the most part a fear of death and so we cannot see what a blessing death was as men did unless through some trauma they would get the sense this was not a blessing.
I don't agree that the Valar and such had not started living until these t hings were introduced as they were already enjoying life in a grand way before entering the music. And, Melkor had no enemies at the beginning so he had nothing to fight against and his life was wonderful. It was his utter selfish that began to form in his thought that caused ruin to others. And to me, it is like saying Ross that one must cut off a finger to enjoy the others, to really begin to live and such. I just cannot agree with your take on this

I believe that the strongest message in all of Tolkien's work is that of Death and Man's innate fear of it and where that fear originally came from. Anyone who knows anything about the Prof's early life knows that Death played a huge part in it. Whether untimely family misfortune or the hideous 1st World War and then the 2nd, JRRT was surrounded by Death in a way that few of us will ever know. I see an amazing message in his examples of how Melkor poisoned the minds of Men in many areas, but especially about Death. One of my favourite lines from the Prof concerns the evils of Melkor (paraphrased) " He who sews lies shall not want of a harvest" And despite Melkor's demise his harvest went on to grow and bloom through Sauron and on and on until modern days. Most of us are terrified of Death, even in modern times yet hope remains for those who realise that the natural cycle of life goes on and we are all part of it. So let’s make the most of life with love and understanding of others.

I think that this undeveloped story could have been one of Tolkien's greatest masterpieces, right alongside tales like that of Beren and Luthien. It's a shame that he never finished it. As to what happened to Aldarion, I like to think that he eventually reconciled with his wife and they lived happily ever after. But of course, I suppose that's just wishful thinking, and far too easy of a solution.

I think that this undeveloped story could have been one of Tolkien's greatest masterpieces, right alongside tales like that of Beren and Luthien. It's a shame that he never finished it. As to what happened to Aldarion, I like to think that he eventually reconciled with his wife and they lived happily ever after. But of course, I suppose that's just wishful thinking, and far too easy of a solution.
I agree, Kyelek. I liked the story of Aldarion and Erendis and I'd love to read the full ending - as detailed as at least some parts of the story. I find this particular story quite fresh - the character of Erendis is unlike any other female characters from Tolkien's universe I read about. And of course the place of the events is unique.