Thread: what happened at the end?
I think that the big distinction is that Tuor, in essence, transcended his mortal form and became one of the Eldar. Thus, he is TRULY numbered among the first-born.
Nononono I get it why I was confused....I always used to mix Turgon and Thingol with each other....always got confused....But I am much wiser now!
As you pointed out, Valar, the Gondolin tale is incomplete in Unfinished Tales. To get the full tale you would be advised to read the Silmarillion, in which the full history og Gondolin is written.
To briefly answer a few of your questions though.
To briefly answer a few of your questions though.
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said no queen ever in gondolin.
This is because Turgon's wife, Elenwe, died while returning to Middle Earth from Valinor while crossing the Helcaraxe. said no queen ever in gondolin.
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but did he said lay his eyes upon his daughter
Idril was the daughter of King Turgon. Tuor married her and their son was Earendil, father of Elrond and Elros. but did he said lay his eyes upon his daughter
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saw a few woman in his life
Tuor's people were held in thralldom by the Easterlings. While he was kept as a slave, the women of his people had been moved to the South so Tuor had seen few women in his life. saw a few woman in his life
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he stayed there or he became the king? or what had happened?
He remained in Gondolin and married Idril. Gondolin eventually fell to Morgoth's armies however, and Tuor, Idril and Earendil were forced to flee. Making their way to the Havens of Sirion, Tuor and Idril eventually crossed the sea into the west, and it is said Tuor was the only Man to be admitted into Valinor.he stayed there or he became the king? or what had happened?
thanx a lot for the answer valedhelgwath! 
Is it true that Tuor was the only man admitted into Valinor? I thought that was Earendil? Tuor and Idril went sailing and could not be found, right?
Tuor had yearned for the sea ever since meeting Ulmo at Nevrast. In his old age he and Idril sailed into the West in his ship, the Earrame, and came no more into tale or song.
From the Silmarillion
From the Silmarillion
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But in after days it was sung that Tuor alone of mortal Man was numbered among the elder race, and was joined with the Noldor, whom he loved; and his fate was sundered from the fate of Men.
But in after days it was sung that Tuor alone of mortal Man was numbered among the elder race, and was joined with the Noldor, whom he loved; and his fate was sundered from the fate of Men.
Thanks for enriching my knowledge, I didn't realised that quote that you talked about, Valedhelgwath...I thought that Earendil was the first man to step into Valinor...well, I guess I am wrong...
Val help me here would you....
I thought that L’thien was the daughter of Turgon and that it was Beren who married her after retrieving one the three silmarillions from Morgoths crown.... Or have I mistaken myself again? If then explain it to me again.
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Idril was the daughter of King Turgon. Tuor married her and their son was Earendil, father of Elrond and Elros.
Idril was the daughter of King Turgon. Tuor married her and their son was Earendil, father of Elrond and Elros.
I thought that L’thien was the daughter of Turgon and that it was Beren who married her after retrieving one the three silmarillions from Morgoths crown.... Or have I mistaken myself again? If then explain it to me again.
I think you got a little confused here with the tale tof Beren and Luthien.
Luthien was the daughter of Thingol, King of Doriath, husband of Melian the Maiar.
Does that answer your query? Val would probably make it more comprehensive an answer though
Luthien was the daughter of Thingol, King of Doriath, husband of Melian the Maiar.
Does that answer your query? Val would probably make it more comprehensive an answer though
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I thought that Earendil was the first man to step into Valinor...well, I guess I am wrong...
The dates towards the end of the First Age are a little vague, but Tuor and Idril set sail into the west in about FA 543. This was about the same time that Earendil became lord of the people of the Havens and married Elwing. His journey to Valinor was just prior to the end of the First Age, about 58 years later. I thought that Earendil was the first man to step into Valinor...well, I guess I am wrong...
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I thought that L’thien was the daughter of Turgon and that it was Beren who married her after retrieving one the three silmarillions from Morgoths crown.... Or have I mistaken myself again? If then explain it to me again.
As Erkenbrand has already pointed out, Luthien was the daughter of Thingol of Doriath. I think where your possible confusion is coming from, is that Luthien and Beren's grandaughter, Elwing, married Earendil. She was, therefore, the mother of Elrond and Elros, and these two families are linked.I thought that L’thien was the daughter of Turgon and that it was Beren who married her after retrieving one the three silmarillions from Morgoths crown.... Or have I mistaken myself again? If then explain it to me again.
Eyy??? Transcended is a tough word for me
What do you mean Uruk?
What do you mean Uruk?
There is no conclusive evidence that Tuor ever set foot in Valinor. The voyage of Earendil is a little vague about how Earendil was able to pursuade (if that is the right word) the Valar in aiding the elves and men.
However, my opinion is that if Earendil was only able to sail to Valinor by virtue of the power of the Silmaril, Tuor would have had no chance. And even if he was able to somehow reach Valinor, wouldn't he have implored the Valar to aid the Elves and Men himself?
Another thing, Luthien was the only elf-woman to turn mortal. Likewise Earendil "alone of mortal men was accounted as one of the Eldar". This was another exception that the Valar made, although they had to ask special permission from Iluvatar to grant these special endowments.
However, my opinion is that if Earendil was only able to sail to Valinor by virtue of the power of the Silmaril, Tuor would have had no chance. And even if he was able to somehow reach Valinor, wouldn't he have implored the Valar to aid the Elves and Men himself?
Another thing, Luthien was the only elf-woman to turn mortal. Likewise Earendil "alone of mortal men was accounted as one of the Eldar". This was another exception that the Valar made, although they had to ask special permission from Iluvatar to grant these special endowments.
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The dates towards the end of the First Age are a little vague, but Tuor and Idril set sail into the west in about FA 543. This was about the same time that Earendil became lord of the people of the Havens and married Elwing. His journey to Valinor was just prior to the end of the First Age, about 58 years later.
The dates towards the end of the First Age are a little vague, but Tuor and Idril set sail into the west in about FA 543. This was about the same time that Earendil became lord of the people of the Havens and married Elwing. His journey to Valinor was just prior to the end of the First Age, about 58 years later.
This dating seems (my guess) to be based on Robert Foster's chronology, as he has c. 543 for Tuor and Idril sailing. Mr. Foster did not have Tolkien's Tale of Years as a guide, however, when he conjectured his dates.
Based on Christopher Tolkien's presentation, I would say that in the last extant versions written for these events (well, in the Tale of Years at least), Tuor departs into the West with Idril, and possibly Voronwe, in Sun Year 525, and Earendil comes to Valinor in Sun Year 542 of the First Age.
It doesn't seem E’rendil got any time at all to go looking for his parents, because after the parlay with the Powers of Arda he got promptly installed in his shipe and catapulted into E’.
Elwing could technically have looked for her parents-in-law, but of course her Majesty had better things to do, namely looking for shells on the beach outside Alqualond’.
Elwing could technically have looked for her parents-in-law, but of course her Majesty had better things to do, namely looking for shells on the beach outside Alqualond’.
now now Vir, you judge the lady too harshly. In fact she needed those things, to grind them into silky face powder. Just because she was in dreadful straits and such does not mean she wanted to look less than her royal best.
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