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Welcome to the forum Samuri!

In the book when Bilbo is having his birthday party Bilbo turns 111 and Frodo 33. When Frodo finally leaves the Shire he is 50.

In the movie Frodo leaves the Shire the morning after the party. Maybe this explanes why they showed less emotion when they meet again compared to the book.
I would just like to add that Bilbo may not have shown much emotion because he had already seen quite a lot of Frodo, while he was asleep.

Hobbits also like to be understated, or "say less than we robs us of the right words when a jest is out of place.."

In the book, Bilbo and Frodo have many a long chat about the Shire after their initial reunion. Probably over cups of tea and pipe smoke. Smile Smilie
Welcome to the forum, Samuri. Smile Smilie

In the movie Frodo leaves the Shire the morning after the party.
Is this true? If it is, PJ certainly took too much license. How the hell did Gandalf get smart about the ring over night?
[Edited on 15/3/2002 by Grondmaster]
No, it's not true, but it's understandable why it would be thought so with the way the movie was cut. After the Party, Gandalf sees the strange reaction that Bilbo has to leaving the ring and that he called it precious. He gives the ring to Frodo and leaves to do some research. He returns to test the ring in the fire and that is when Frodo leaves. However it is still not a difference of 17 years. The movie makes it appear like a difference of weeks.
Yes the time aspect of the iopening sequences is quite badly edited/handled (in my opinion). But how can you manage 17 years, keep the action flowing and hold the interest of the crowd at the opening of the film.
P Jackson give the impression a few weeks, monthsd have gone by and yet when Bilbo finds Frodo at Rivendell, Bilbo looks at least 17 yrs older compared with the jolly little fellow that went walking through the hills of Hobbiton as the road goes ever on.

Poetic licence I suppose - plus in the movie Bilbo doesn't have the same importance as he does in the book. So I guess they allowed themselves poetic licence.
Well accually I think what Jackson had in mind was that once Bilbo no longer possessed the ring he's body caught up with his age... something like that Smile Smilie
When you think about it there was no real way to realy go about it for PJ. I mean other then perhaps another one of those little "blips" "AFTER 17 Years have passed, we find an older Frodo..." and I hate those. The only real beef that I had was that perhaps PJ could have aged Bilbo only slightly and then if he is going to show Bilbo and Frodo leaving Middle Earth with the Elves we could then see a very aged Bilbo. Who knows! Sad Smilie
oops, sorry if I gave wrong information here. I can't remember Gandalf leaving Frodo alone after the party. Guess I will have to see the movie again. I have a very good excuse now, don't I. Big Smile Smilie
Last week there were still eight daily screening of the movie at the various theatres in my county; this week it is down to only one, and that won't last much longer. Time is fast running out on the availability to resee the movie. Sad Smilie Hopefully, time will pass quickly until we can buy the DVD's in August. Smile Smilie
Is this true? If it is, PJ certainly took too much license. How the hell did Gandalf get smart about the ring over night?

I've been wondering about that for ages, and now I've finally seen it explained. So there were more years inbetween Bilbo's leaving and Frodo's leaving in the film? To me it just seemed like Gandalf rode to Gondor in half a day, read some books quickly and returned the day after... I knew that couldn't be right... Wink Smilie

I think Alyssa is right. Bilbo had seen a lot of Frodo while the latter was sleeping, and though Frodo was out of his mind with joy when he saw Bilbo, he still had a lot of other things on his mind too. And perhaps the fact that Bilbo had grown a lot older scared him a bit too. Or maybe it's just the fact that hobbits have sometimes troubles in showing their emotions... Cool Smilie
What annoyed me the most was that Sam Gamgee also didn't appear to age. OK Frodo is the Ring Bearer, so we wouldn't expect him to age, just as Bilbo hadn't until he gave up the Ring, but there is nothing in the books to suggest that people around the Ring Bearer also do not age due to being in close proximity to the Ring. Why then don't any of the charcters in the film age in the time period between the party and leaving?

PJ's poetic licence again I guess.....
Welcome to the forum Stinger. Smile Smilie

I think Huan's statement:
Yes the time aspect of the opening sequences is quite badly edited/handled (in my opinion).
is valid and to rationalize around that we will have to go with PJ's 'only months' after the party rather than the book's 'seventeen years'. That will explain Sam's lack of ageing and then Bilbo's accelerated ageing can be attributed to just catching up.