Not sure where to put this, so I'm sticking it here; feel free, of course, to move it CMs. The issue is this: the word "ambar" in the Oath of Elendil means "earth" (Ambar-metta=Middle-earth.) In Turins self appointed moniker it means "doom, fate." It has been my understanding this is due the fact Elendil took his Oath in Quenya, while Turin, as a fosterling in Doriath (where Thingol had banned Quenya because of the Kinslaying) chose a name in Sindarin, where "umbar" means earth and "ambar" means "doom, fate." However, the question arose on another site, regarding the meaning of my user name, and the response the inquirer made to my clarification was as follows, citing Ardalambion as reference:



My knowledge of the tongues in question is rather limited though; can any of our resident linguiphiles shed some light on this issue?

So "Ambar-metta" is not "Middle-earth" but "the end of the world" then? That makes sense, I suppose, but what does it leave as the "generic" term for earth? I was hoping to avoid that problem with the "it's two different, but related, languages" but it looks like I'll have to confront SOME kind of problem regardless. Thanks for the response, it's good to have some outside input.