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for a more suitable time?
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reflect the mood of the scene.
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facing it
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clear, why does it not have a pleasant feel to it?
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taller
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behind them
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had told them that they had lost the battle at the Fords of Isen and
Erkenbrand had headed towards Helm's Deep
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in this chapter that leads me to believe that everyone was not
completely convinced of his evil treachery.
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noticed.
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was leaving them to complete the journey to Helm's Deep without him.
This seemed somewhat disconcerting to the guard.
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explain"
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Wormtongue was not looked at with hatred?
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against Gandalf then?
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left, if he had to do so.
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had noticed.
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loyal subject to Theoden
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really convinced Theoden of Grima's absolute treachery. Theoden was
still willing to have Wormtongue ride into battle with him
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coward perhaps, not necessarily a traitor, in the eyes of Rohan
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company of Orcs
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he missed both his counsellors
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them some slack
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he wished Grima was not so treacherous and could be there to counsel
him
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Helm's Deep?
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the journey to Helm's Deep?
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Counciling
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and Gimli is becoming closer and Legolas is comfortable telling Gimli
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storm
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Battle of Helm's Deep
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what was it?
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assult," said Theoden, "but now my heart is doubtful.
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water course
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meet it for all the arts of Gandalf. His cousel seems not now so good
as it did under the morning sun"
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Aragorn, as he stood there alone above the ruined gares before the
host of his enemies, that many of the wild men paused and look back
over their shoulders to the valley and some looked up doubtfully at
the sky."
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to their face
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ears.
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happened to those poor Orcs?
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anyone have any comment to make about this chapter?
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the van
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may have to cut to 1 chapter a week.
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Here is the log from Discussion of Oct. 19th - Road to Isengard:
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[17:58] Road to Isengard
[17:59] What is the mood like as we start this chapter?
[17:59] much lighter
[17:59] why is that?
[18:00] everyone's been reunited
[18:00] kinda
[18:01] yes, I will agree with that Rawien
[18:01] The are 2 significant reunions here that are really
joyful.
[18:02] Gandolf, Gimli and Legolas. Eomer and Theoden
[18:02] question: who were the 'lords of the Golden
House'?
[18:02] Just in that context I would think Eomer and Theoden.
What it the statement, Grondy, I think I missed it.
[18:03] first paragraph
[18:04] Had Tolkien used 'Hall' I would have had no problem
[18:04] I see it there
[18:04] But you are probably right
[18:05] carry on Nell
[18:06] How did Legolas react when Gimli made his appearance?
[18:06] he was glad
[18:06] very happy
[18:07] How did their friendly little competition go?
[18:07] Gimli won
[18:07] by 1
[18:07] Gimil 42, Legolass 41
[18:08] yep, close
[18:08] Where was Gandalf wanting to go now?
[18:08] Isengard
[18:08] Legolass was so happy to see Gimli that he didn't
begrudge losing the match
[18:09] ty
[18:09] Their friendship is really strengthening.
[18:09] Gandalf wanted to talk to Saruman
[18:09] Why did Gandalf want to go to Isengard?
[18:10] right Grondy. You are a mindreader tonight.
[18:10] Was Theoden going along?
[18:11] yes
[18:11] but he didn't want to
[18:11] If he could rest first, he wasn't about to
distrust the advice of Gandalf any more
[18:11] what about his army?
[18:12] but Theoden said he didn't have enough men for a
fight
[18:12] Was this of any concern to Gandalf?
[18:14] Did Gandalf have any need of Theoden's army?
[18:14] No, Gandalf said they were going to parley rather
than to fight
[18:14] yeah
[18:14] right. So what duties did the rest of the men have to
perform?
[18:15] to clean up the mess of battle
[18:15] and to be messengers
[18:16] Let's talk about the mess a bit. What needed to be
done?
[18:16] to call for the muster
[18:16] bodies to bury
[18:17] walls to mend, wounds to doctor
[18:17] tummies to feed
[18:17] Who did they enlist to do these repairs?
[18:18] the hillmen
[18:18] yes
[18:19] How were they treated by Erkenbrand?
[18:19] with respect
[18:19] the hillmen were surprised, because saruman told them
the rohirrim were cruel
[18:19] justly rather than how Saruman had said they would
be treated by the Rohirrim
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[18:20] How were the dead buried?
[18:21] in two different tumuli
[18:21] and when they were released they were told not to
cross the Isen bearing weapons
[18:21] Eastfolders and Westfolders
[18:21] what were the 2, Virumor?
[18:22] well, i mean two big hills or something
[18:22] i don't know the exact word in english
[18:22] mounds
[18:22] you are correct, vir
[18:22] I understood the term
[18:23] East Dales in one and Westfold in the 2nd, as Grondy
said. There was one lone grave, whose was it?
[18:23] Hama, perhaps?
[18:23] yes, indeed.
[18:24] Can you describe the forest?
[18:24] it is dark
[18:24] the orcs they piled up and Gandalf said to then
let them lie awhile
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[18:24] they feel it's hostile towards them
[18:24] grey and menacing
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[18:25] What happens when Gandalf leads them through?
[18:25] two ents step out of the forest
[18:25] and do some kind of 'call'
[18:26] and more ents come marching up and enter the woods
[18:27] What was the reaction of everyone at this sight?
[18:27] awe?
[18:27] they were astonished
[18:28] things of their childhood tales
[18:28] Theoden had thought they were just legends.
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than to fight
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