Hi everybody. I was wondering what you guys think will happen in the Hobbit movies in terms of where the first one cuts, how the necromancer plot will be incorporated, and if and how you think Aragorn and Arwen will be included. I know there's already an individual blog for all of this stuff, but I couldn't find anywhere to put down my ideas of the whole thing. Please leave your ideas !

I think what would happen would be that the movie would follow much the same plotline of the book until they reach Rivendell. At this point, Elrond tells Gandalf that Saruman is there too and they hold a council (basically a smaller version of the white council). Aragorn would be present at the council as well, seeing as he is trying to see Arwen secretly from her father and is therefore in Rivendell. It ends with them deciding (Saruman very unwillingly) that Dol Guldur must be attacked. They decide that they will send word to other important people to aid them in the assault (Radagast, Thranduil, Legolas etc).

Then the plot goes back mainly to the Hobbit and the Dwarves up until the edge of MIrkwood, every now and then switching back to Elrond, Aragorn and Arwen.
Gandalf says that he has important business in the south and goes to assault Dol Guldur with the elves of Mirkwood and the White Council. The battle (at the end of which Gandalf confronts the Necromancer and reveals it to be Sauron) along with the Bilbo saving the dwarves from the spiders would be the climax, at the end of which they realize that Bilbo is a capable member of the company and Gollum is seen climbing out into the daylight in search of the Ring.


In the second, it would begin with Gollum following the Orcs of the Misty Mountains toward the Lonely Mountain while they both search for Thorin's company.

The rest of the movie follows the plotline of The Hobbit, again occasionally checking up on Arwen. At Bilbo's confrontation with Smaug, the Ring could (in the slippery manner of the Ring) "fall off" Bilbo's finger, Smaug sees Bilbo, breathes fire, and in the heat the viewers see the engravings of the One Ring (although Bilbo doesn't).

In the Battle of Five Armies, of course ARAGORN AND LEGOLAS ARE THERE! (Those Orlando Bloom diehards will be happy) and blah blah blah, Gollum tries totake the ring from Bilbo during the battle, fails, and gets captured by those mean, tricksy orcses!

Sorry that was long-winded. I've though this through a lot.

Why would we need Aragorn to be in the Battle of Five Armies, let alone in the movie. We have a differant would be king; Bard

Would it be a good idea to portray the movie as if the audience had never seen LOTR, that way the Ring is just a mysterious magic Ring, the Necromancer is a mystery, and Gollum is just some shadowy figure hiding under a mountain?

The only hint of the Ring being evil I would use is maybe at the end of the movie, have some sort of close up of it and have it make that whisper it would make in the LOTR movies, only fainter.

Another thing I was wondering a while back. In the Hobbit book, it was clearly aimed at a younger audience, and the dwarves set off on their quest seemingly unarmed and unarmored. Since this movie will be more along the lines of the LOTR movies, would it make sense to arm and equip the dwarves?

Watching the Council of Elrond scene on my DVD, it gave me an idea for a scene later in the Hobbit movie. When Thorin confronts the survivors of Esgaroth and the elves, and they demand, he nearly looses, it, and then goes completely ape **** when Bilbo reveals that he gave them his Arkenstone....what if it was the influence of the Ring on him, magnifying his greed.
I would have a more subdued version of the Mordor theme playing in the background, and the Ring's "voice" quietly chanting the inscription on the Ring as it was during the Council. Of course no one would realize this is the Ring at work, save the viewing audience
What do you think?

ok smeagollum, I like your idea very much, but I think they need to stick to the original story line as well, and not deviate too far from it. I like the idea of Legolas being in it, simply because his character wasn't thought up during the hobbit, but is very much a character that could definitely be there at this time (being related to Thanduril[sorry if i spelled that wrong)
The whole arwen aragorn thing i think was kinda butchered in the LOTR, so i don't really want to see more of that...
Definitely was to see some GAndalf action, but not so much that it takes away from the main story...
I CANT WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

I forget which topic it came up in, so I'll say it again. I think we should see Haldir again! He was the one who lead the regiment of elves to assist at Helm's Deep.
I know the elves never actually went to Helm's Deep, but I liked the addition in the film. He very easily could be added leading an elven army in the service of Galadriel against the dark creatures of Dol Guldor.

I also like the idea of having Haldir in the Hobbit, as long as they see him in Rivendell. I don't want them to pick him up in Rivendell and have him as a companion. And I definitely don't want to see him in Mirkwood. He's a Rivendell elf, which is how Aragorn knew him (Aragorn grew up in Rivendell). So I'd love a cameo in Rivendell, and perhaps he could be at the dinner-table with Elrond, the Dwarves, Gandalf, and Bilbo.

Rodu's got you there Beren.
I figured he would show up for the siege against Dol Guldor. My thought was that as part of the White Council, Galadriel would bring a regiment of Elves to attact the fortress. Enter Haldir!
This would of course depend greatly on how Del Toro tackles Dol Guldor. [i:2ktxq8b6][size=85:2ktxq8b6](interesting, Del Toro and Dol Guldor in the same sentence seems like something Tolkien would do)[/size:2ktxq8b6][/i:2ktxq8b6] I wonder if it will be a small but magical and mighty battle of elves and wizards vs the Necromancer, or will an army of elves and dark creatures battle it out as well? Time will tell I guess.
And I agree with Astar; Aragorn and Legolas had their time in LotR. If they show up, it should be a cameo.
Gandalf gets more screen time even though he had alot in LotR, but, come on, he's GANDALF!

I like your idea of Legolas and Aragorn being at the battle