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What cats have got to do with The Hobbit, I may never know, but here you are guys. :roll:
I always thought the descriptions of Gollum (and parts of his personality) were quite cat like!!
Was it those eyes in the dark, pray tell? He was also lithe and quick and cruel (if you replace 'goblin' for 'mouse'!)
If I have a complaint about Tolkien, it's that he didn't like cats. :x Read about Tevildo or Queen Beruthiel to see just what he thought about the cute little creatures. How could he? :cry:
Toliken had his reasons I'm sure... :ugeek: I wonder if he had curtains too...? :?
You know, that would actually make a lot of sense. :lol: 8-)
What WAS it with Tolkien and Lewis's portrayal of cats :? ? The only cats that ever featured in their stories were always either evil or untrustworthy :x .

The curtains theory has some merit I suppose :lol: . But I wonder if it has anything to do with any vestigial remnants of masculine supremacy that they may have had. I have always considered Tolkien and Lewis as far more forward thinking than many other Men (Conservative and Otherwise) of their era on that subject. Yet, perhaps the Medieval attitudes towards cats as being familiars to Witches (remnants of the Old Religion) rubbed off on them.

That's something I'd never considered before GB.
The way cats were treated in middle-ages was really quite shocking. There was a Scottish island, can't actually remember which one (I really should look these things up!) that once a year got as many cats as they could lay hands on and slowly roasted them to death on a fire, in the belief that as they were servants of evil the appalling wailing they made as they suffered and died would drive serve as a warning and frighten away other evil spirits. The very thought horrifies me, and I spent a lot of time on a farm as a child hand rearing lambs then loading them onto the slaughter van, so I'm not a leaf eating type, but to think people did that sort of thing makes the blood run cold. Humans- who'd be one!
Not I, indeed, dear Mr Tyrant, not I. I'm glad I'm not related to the species! <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> I've heard about a Scotsman named Sims, though. Apparently, on hearing how tasty cat was when cooked within a thin sheaf of flour dough, he cooked a few. Grilled them, no steaming or deep frying, dim fellow. One of those Village Idiots, perhaps, GB? Poor old dim Sims!
Yeah, me too Odo and Petty <img src='/images/smileys/sad.gif' border='0' alt='Sad Smilie' /> . Sometimes I really understand where Elrond/Agent Smith/V is coming from <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> .

I'm waiting right now for my kitty to come and try sitting on my keyboard as I post :mrgreen: . That should cheer me up.

We have not one, not two...but THREE freaking cats. :|

Don't get me wrong, I love the little critters, but c'mon. You can only clean up so much cat puke before you start having second thoughts about how low maintenance they are.
Cat puke is never fun, but I was put off from ever having a dog after being forced to clean up dog diarrhea on a walk once. :x :cry: (It wasn't even my dog, either.)
Oh... um... do we need a Dogblog for Tolkien Nerds Thread now...? (It might be politically correct!)
Two cats and two dogs, I love furry critters :mrgreen: . Sure they barf and poop! But they're cuddly and they're lower maintenance than kids <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> .

I keep reading the thread title as "CATCHCAT" instead of "CATCHAT". :roll: Even when I know it's wrong I see it that way. :lol:
Oddly Eldo I've been doing exactly the same thing- like its a freaking optical illusion- I suspect secret shenanigans from Wise Odo, some sort of mind trick!
WOW, you guys too? :?

Wise Odo!!! :x Nah, he wouldn't have the brains - nor the malice... oops.... and neither would I!!!! :?
I blame my brain's automatic spell-checker. I have a problem, if you want to call it that, where I read misspelled words correctly, but it means that I don't always catch typos (which can be a problem when writing essays :? ). I think that I've been seeing the title as "CATCH AT" and then mentally inserting another C in there. :|
Do all cat-lovers have this problem? I've never heard of dog-lovers having it. Perhaps dog-lovers see things more clearly. Tolkien wrote a story about a dog once, Roverandom. Actually, Tolkien saw things very clearly by all accounts... Mmm... something for the psychoanalysts I do believe... (Dog-lovers: a [i:lncmk0yi]psychoanalyst [/i:lncmk0yi]is a psychologist who helps people with pyschological 'issues' - like 'cat-fancy', for instance, which is a serious delusion, I hear tell :geek: ).
Is 'cat fancy' when the owner fancies the cat or when the cat fancies the owner or when the cat fancies another cat or when the cat fancies a dog? or none of the above? just curious Odo. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> maybe its something imagined by people with brains befuddled with dogs.
Well, [i:zs90pyar]befuddled... [/i:zs90pyar]I never...! It's worse than being called 'simplistic' I feel, and who would ever suggest someone's ideas, whether about dogs or anything else, were [i:zs90pyar]simplistic[/i:zs90pyar]! :o If you go on like that, Mr Tyrant, we'll soon be fighting like cats and dogs... mmm... is that ironing again? :? to this 'fancying' business... I never knew I was being so esoteric! :shock: I must watch what I say in future!
I thought you were nearly always being esoteric dear Odo!
As to dog owners, befuddlement is the price of being in a pack and having to watch over your shoulder all the time in case your dog wants to be Top Dog one day. It distracts the mind (as does waiting for it to poop so you can collect it in a little bag -strange folk dog-owners). There is no such pretence with we cat owners, for cats assume [i:3fq72r84]they[/i:3fq72r84] are in charge from day one. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' /> (And have the dignity to bury their excrement in someone else's flower bed).
Cat Fancy is the name of a periodical for cat lovers. I just assumed that was what Odo was referring to.

ah GB... that's it.... I must have been meaning that. Must be developing an ability to channel... mmmm.. [i:1fms97pn]channelling[/i:1fms97pn] 'ey...! (Huh? :? : Oh yes... :oops: thinking aloud....)

Mr Tyrant, you do make cats sound self-centred. Dogs are not like that, they believe in a system of government (like democracy) where the fittest is Leader (unlike democracy). When have you ever heard of a Mill, or a Locke, or a Abraham Lincoln amongst cats? Cats are Anarchists - well, Anacats! Dogs might be dogmatic, but their dogmas are all about the team!

Also, there are 'hounds in Tolkien's works, good folk generally (leaving out the Wargs, of course. Hey! Everyone has black sheep in the family - err... black [i:1fms97pn]dog[/i:1fms97pn]) And so as this is CATCHCHAT FOR TOLKIEN NERDS, I think we should take a leaf out of T's book and use this thread to deride all curtain-ripping-other-people's-gardens-pooing-back-fence-screeching-miawowers! Don't you?
Cats are not anarchists- they are the ultimate believers in society- with themselves firmly at the top. A cat assumes everything it wants will be provided and when it desires. A dog for example will happily be petted by its owner whenever the owner wishes it because a dog is naturally subservient. A cat will allow petting when it wants it and will let you know when its had enough by playfully clawing some skin from your hand. To cats everything is a system of society going downwards from them all the way to the bottom where they put dogs. There is a reason cats were worshipped in ancient Egypt- they demanded it.
This is reminding me of the movie [i:24j5edo9]Cats and Dogs[/i:24j5edo9]. It was incredibly stupid, but had some funny parts. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
Yes, Eldo, the cats were very silly in that movie. And Mr Tyrant, I did change it from [i:32pi9yqo]Anarchist[/i:32pi9yqo] to [i:32pi9yqo]Anacats[/i:32pi9yqo]!
We have a cat 8-) , and he owns this house !! :lol:
mmm... yet more evidence... yet another Anacat!
I'm with petty on this one. Cats may show a disregard for human social hierarchies, but I suspect its because they already have their own. They are the [i:3ep3ulgn]aristocats[/i:3ep3ulgn], and everyone else are their servants. Most humans just haven't realized that yet. :P
Ahhhh... but should the 101 Dalmatians turn on them....! 8-)
It all goes back to [i:3cq58c5i]Cats and Dogs[/i:3cq58c5i]. I need to get that movie from NetFlix again. 8-) :lol:
My pets, cats and dogs alike, are Situationist Anarcho-Socialists :P :lol: .

My cat (schizophrenic thing she was) disappeared one day. She was only my cat because my kids lost interest in her. Ironingly, I was the only one who actually missed her, and sometimes I still wonder what happened to her! I prefer the idea of her going to an alternate universe, being healed of her schizophrenia, saving GB from a fate worse than death, and returning to our world some day as a better cat altogether - or even transformed into a higher form, like a dog for instance. That would give her tale a nice Hinduish or Buddhist slant. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
I wish my cat was smart enough to know what that means. :P He just thinks of himself as the Prince.
Does anyone elses cats know how to open doors with the handles? My oldest (Keira) just meowed to get in or out a door but the kitten of hers (Dax-spotting the theme here?) I kept from her litter one day sussed it- Dax jumps onto the handle with her front two paws and hangs off it, pushes down on the handle and swings her body to give the momentum to open it. Oddly, having witnessed this a few times her mother learnt to do it. But my third cat, from Dax's litter,(Sisko-if you hadn't guessed) is a male (I figured 3 cats were enough) and prob because he's a male he doesn't bother his arse. He just waits till his mum or grandmother want to go through and lets them open doors for him. <img src='/images/smileys/bigsmile.gif' border='0' alt='Big Smile Smilie' />
I wouldn't encourage such behaviour! They don't seem to grasp the concept of shutting a door once they've opened it and its impossible to confine them to any one location- they can let themselves out- without resorting to barricades!
My cat has learned how to push open the window with her paw so as to jump in and out at will 8-) .

Poor kitty :cry: . I'm sorry Odo. One of our cats has gone feral. but he still shows up on the doorstep a couple of times a week for a pet and some food. He's fending quite well for himself. Looks like a raccoon now.

Was it an unneutred male GB? They're prone to just buggering off and finding their own patch.
No, he was neutered. He just hated being stuck inside after having to stay in for a couple of weeks one particularly stormy winter <img src='/images/smileys/sad.gif' border='0' alt='Sad Smilie' /> .

Neither of my cats are allowed outside unsupervised my decree of my mother. We lost one of our cats back in 1999 after she caught some disease and my mum has been worried about our cats going outside ever since. (Incidentally, I convinced my parents to have a 'funeral' and bury our cat, which is my earliest memory :cry: ).
We always have funerals for our departed furry friends too <img src='/images/smileys/sad.gif' border='0' alt='Sad Smilie' /> .

Aslan was indeed a Feline, and betrays Lewis's own inner Pagan <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> . However, regular domesticated cats are represented by Ginger the Cat, who is much more like the Medieval view of cats.

[quote:2nxl0hpg]from Gandalfs Beard
What WAS it with Tolkien and Lewis's portrayal of cats ? The only cats that ever featured in their stories were always either evil or untrustworthy .
wasn't aslan in cronicles of narnia a sort of cat, lion anyway, sort of feline, he was good, wasn't he :?
Excellent point, Elrond. GB obviously is not as knowledgeable about Narnia as he leads us to believe. Makes me begin to wonder if he's even read those books! :ugeek:
By the way, Awesome New Avvy Eldo :mrgreen: .

Thanks GB. :mrgreen: The suit of armour in the background is that of the God-Emperor of Mankind from Warhammer 40,000. I don't actually play the game but I've read several of the novels and quite enjoy them. :ugeek:
... am I dreaming... or was I sleep walking? Dark path.... window... Bright inside.. dark out here... This is no place I've ever been... smells East - no, [i:2abgjroq]West [/i:2abgjroq]Coast American (a hint of Teen Spirit?) ... queer... Oh my God! I shouldn't be peeping through someone's window, but... Oh God! Will you look at that ... sitting there at that desk... quill in strand ... Not [i:2abgjroq]hand [/i:2abgjroq]!--- Quill in 'strand'! My goodness gracious me! It's a Beard at a desk... with a 'strand' for a 'hand' - it's writing... I MUST be dreaming, but... go with it Wise Odo... this might be happening for a reason...Hey! I can see what the Beard is writing:

[i:2abgjroq]i just can't reveal my secret,
My friends would think me odd,
If ever they were to find out,
That my Pussy is a Dog...![/i:2abgjroq]

Unbelievable!!! :o This must be GB's house... but everything's fading... oh my Grandmother's Bloomers! Was I dreaming...? Or have I the [i:2abgjroq]SIGHT[/i:2abgjroq]??? :o ... Oh my Grandfather's Longjohns! What a vulgar place this is.... It's almost like I've been transported in a dream into one of those vulgar threads I've heard tell of...

...Oh wake up! Wake up...! Oh my - what a horribly unrespectable dream....!
Well, in your dream were you looking at my pillow or the foot of my bed? The Cat sleeps on the pillow, and the Dog by my feet <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> .

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