*stupid
I agree with both of you. Lorien disappointed me a little. I had expected a sort of dreamy forest, sth like you said, Alyssa. Jackson's version didn't look like the Golden Wood at all... But the stairs bit was great, although I don't think it was in the book, but no matter.

Can we please take any further conversation about the procreation of Elves to a tavern please. While the above is entertaining, it doesn't have much to do with Lorien, its trees, or its closets, at least the Lothlorien as written by Tolkien.

I'm going to think about this topic overnight and may just do a slash and burn, deleteing everthing that is not about Lorien itself. I find I can not cut and paste blocks of post, I can just delete the whole thing or individual posts, or else edit individual posts.

Bummer: I've got too much power which makes the people unhappy, yet not enough tools to both keep Taz happy and let the people eat their cake. [Edited on 11/1/2002 by Grondmaster]

Must have looked at when all the Elves were born and done a bit of maths. Every 200 years or so! :o no thanks
And it seems unlikely that a good little catholic boy like JRR would have put any gay elves in, but I wouldn't put it past a 21st century film director.

Yes the reel elves were not real elves. And most elves were gay (in the old sense of the word) except for those that had major resposibilities like maintaining their community, keeping outsiders at bey, etc. Did they enjoy "S**", 'A gentleman would never tell'--I thought Clinton was one until he outright lied rather than just smile and use the above line.

Okay Mothers of the World: Have we said anything here your little darlings shouldn't hear. If so tell me and I'll apply my edit button; until then it can stand as written.

Snails only mate once in their whole life! But how come I'm always tripping over f***ing snails (in the biblical sense) and rarely ever see one on it's own anymore?

Yeah, but it's not through choice is it

*chomp, munch, munch*

Never had a cheating husband yet...

It must be nice being a worm though...just change one end into a male & get the other end drunk each time you feel like reproducing.

Oh to be a worm.......
I think there were the flowers there, they just didn't mention them by name.

3 letter S word? Which one's that? Sat, sad, sod, sit, ummmmm...... Have you seen that famous word beginning with C that the filter doesn't know yet Grondy? Can't remember where I saw it, but it's here somewhere (and it wasn't me this time)

TomBombadillo

This topic started with the question:

How on earth did PJ know how often Elves enjoy intimate relations?

As far as I know the specifics are not in any of Tolkien's writing. So how did they extrapolate comments like "Elves only have sex every 200 years or so..." Taking artistic licience too far I think, and for what purpose? It is never an issue in the movie or the book...unless Aragorn has some misgivings about his new fiance...(hehe)

This sense of bereavement is for both Gandalf and the beautiful trees, to which spring will never return. They are beautiful, as is Galadriel; and she is feeling this loss doubly so, because no matter the outcome of Frodo's quest, she will lose. Either by being conquered by Sauron, resulting in the woods being turned into a charcoal heap, or else because her ring Nenya, will no longer be able to restrain time from the woods, and rather than see it fade, she will choose to sail off into the sunset. Either way, she is going to lose beautiful Lothlorien in all but memory.

I agree with every word, Grondmaster!

I dont know i thought of Lorien as a kind of fort of trees you know trees very close together. I imagianed that the first time the fellowship met Galadriel and Celeborn they were in some kind of dining hall

Grondmaster is right! Again... There are many beautiful places in ME, but I still think Lorien must have been one of the most wonderful ones. Even if it's just because Galadriel lived there...

Most people feel Lorien was given short shrift in the movie. I believe I read elsewhere on the forum that the November issue of the FOTR DVD will have as a supplement, many shots of Loth-Lorien that were cut from the original movie. Maybe then we will be given a little more scenery to upon which to stare in awe and wonder.

Coming back to the book for a moment, there is a quote that I find quite mindboggling. I only noticed it recently. It's funny how, when you've been reading a story constantly since you were a child, you continue not to notice the things you missed as a child.

’omer says "few escape her nets" and expresses utter amazement that Aragorn & co got out of L’rien alive. In context, we are bristling along with Gimli, or at least laughing at ’omer's ignorance, chalking it up to old wives' tales. And yet as Gandalf says, old wives' tales are not mere superstition!

So I was totally caught offguard when I hit this my last read through:



Quoth Faramir to Frodo:

'The Edain, the fathers of the N’menoreans, fought besides the Elves in the first wars, and were rewarded by the gift of the kingdom in the midst of the Sea, within sight of Elvenhome. But in Middle-Earth Men and Elves became estranged in the days of darkness, by the arts of the Enemy, and by the slow changes of time in which each kind walked further down sundered roads. Men now fear and misdoubt the Elves, and yet know little of them. And we of Gondor grow like other Men, like the men of Rohan; for even they, who are foes of the Dark Lord, shun the Elves and speak of the Golden Wood with dread.
'Yet there are among us still some who have dealings with the Elves when they may, and ever and anon one will go in secret to L’rien, seldom to return. Not I. For I deem it perilous now for mortal man wilfully to seek out the Elder People. Yet I envy you that you have spoken with the White Lady.'


He's speaking in the present tense.
And he's clearly saying it's more than one person going there.


So he can't merely be reporting rumors of Thorongil/Aragorn going there after leaving Gondor.



THERE ARE MEN IN L’RIEN! :o


Don't you wish Tolkien had pursued/explained this plotline at some point?!!!



The only reason I edited this post was to turn off an overlong signature.

[Edited on 20/4/2003 by Valedhelgwath]

Hmmmm. Good thought. Only trouble is that they'd already been talking about Gandalf (in fact Faramir mentions him above), so I think he'd say Mithrandir if that's what he meant. Also he's making a distinction between Men of Gondor who now believe as the Rohirrim do, that Elves are dangerous and suspect, and Men of Gondor who still believe as they used to. He says "us". Also, Faramir is one of the few people smart enough to realize Mithrandir is older than dirt and is not exactly human (although at best Faramir could only have vague suspicions what he really was).

As far as I can tell, either there are Men living in L’rien (those who did not return), or the Galadhrim have been steadily picking off the most adventurous citizens of Gondor for some time.

"This puzzle winds itself ever in new riddles."



[Edited on 4/20/03 by sepdet]

[Edited on 20/4/2003 by Valedhelgwath]

I pictured Lorien to be brighter, more golden. With more sunlight filtering through the trees. In the movie, Lorien was too dark.

I didn't expect that, because I also didn't feel like that while reading the book. I felt more like that was how Lorien once had been, but now because the end was approaching and Galadriel's power getting weaker, it started to fade. And even if it was still beautiful, it was only a glimps of what it once was. Like the end of summer.

That would be my description of Lorien in the summer of its life, while I imagined it a tad bit darker in these the last days of its autumn; though, not like in the darkness of its winter when Queen Arwen will withdrew to there. Then I imagined bare limbed greyness and much sadness and lamentation over what had passed before.

Among the gossamer frond of fern,
Down paths of oak and yarrow.
Slips fleet of foot and swift of hand..
to loose a golden arrow.

With eyes of sad and silver grey
and hair so golden fair,
walks the hidden hero,
The brave and true, Haldir.

i am Hobbit, but i would like to be with elves. i like to adventure their places... for holidays....Lothlorien is a fair place. i would like to know the past of the elves and their tales. and what's more?