I fail to see your point. Arwen didn't save Aragorn's life, but Frodo's. I think Arwen knew that Aragorn could take care of himself. What King would he be, if he couldn't. I guess she also changes Aragorn's diapers ?


Sure we know enough about Arwen "from the books". From what i have read in LOTR, it seems very likely that Arwen would never do what she did in the movies.

Anyway, comparing is useless, as a lot of characters are different in the movies. Movie-Arwen and book-Arwen are different as day and night, so i wonder why i even bothered.

Meh ?

Anyway, speaking of real mistakes : i think it was a mistake that after she splashed away the Nazg’l, that she suddenly started the "No!!! Frodo, don't give in", etc. and the entire silly weeping. I mean, she didn't even know him. Imagine ppl working in the ER doing the same after a patient in dire need of medical assistance is brought in.

Is it the typical "women are emotional, so make them emotional!" trick? If i were Arwen, i'd have rushed off to daddy in no time.

The thing is, Aragorn had to prove himself worthy of Arwen. Not only to Elrond, but also to himself. It was something he had to do alone. So Arwen helping him like in the flicks is a big no-no. Supporting him from a distance, yes.

But that's the book thing. Tis different in the movies. In the movies, Aragorn is full of self-doubt(the "weakness"-speech). Of course that poor baby can't do it alone. And of course, anyone would have fled movie-Elrond if possible. What a jerk.

Bad comparison. Why would Arwen need to slip away ? L’thien slipped away from dad because of Beren. Arwen didn't need to slip away : when she first met Aragorn, she was already 2710 years old. And when they got betrothed, Elrond didn't send Aragorn on a suicide-mission to get rid of Aragorn, but he accepted it. Also note that Arwen spent most of her time in Lothlorien, in her mother's land, until she met Aragorn (after which she returned to Lothlorien again). Only back in 3009 Elrond sent message to Arwen to return to him so they could spend their last days together. So Lothlorien seems to be Arwen's home, rather than Rivendell. And Elrond playing the dominant, over-possessive dad like in the movies, is a no-no.

Arwen loved her father dearly; she knew that their parting would cause him a lot of grief : that to me is the main reason why she would never leave Rivendell in the last days of the third age. Not because she can't help or doesn't want to help Aragorn : she does help him, but from a distance - remember she made and sent him the Banner.

Also, don't forget what happened to Celebr’an in 2510 when she left Rivendell : that to me is a big reason why Elrond would never risk his daughter leaving Rivendell. And because Arwen loved her father dearly, she would never want to hurt him by leaving Rivendell against his will. The idea alone, is ridiculous. Arwen is an Elf who's nearly 3000 years old, considered wise. She's not ’owyn.

Furthermore, again, Aragorn needed to prove himself worthy, not only to wed Arwen, but also to become a King. Arwen wouldn't help him actively in his "quest", she'd only support him by giving advice.

And again, this is true for book-Arwen. Who cares about movie-Arwen. Pah.

I have a thing against book-Arwen taking up arms, yes. Lucky she didn't do that, eh ?

As far as i know, the only she-elf who took up arms was Idril Celebrindal.


There's a difference between helping someone and doing all the work. Are you worthy of winning the 100 m sprint if you are helped by a motorcycle or if you are carried on Maurice Greene's shoulders ? And pls don't put words into my mouth.

That's where we disagree, then. I don't think Elrond would ever do that. I think he would rather go himself than to send his daughter.

And actually i doubt whether Arwen would be able to stand up against the Nazg’l. She's a descendant of L’thien, but not L’thien herself.

Anyway i think it's hardly any use comparing the books to the movies : movie-Aragorn is different from book-Aragorn as well, insecure about himself and his heritage, etc. Not to mention the romance is different as well : in the books they're already betrothed, but in the movies Aragorn tells Arwen to go to the Grey Havens (and actually thinks she's gone as well in TTT).

The thing is, it's hardly a mistake replacing Glorfindel by Arwen : it's just a choice PJ made when adapting LOTR. I disagree with this choice, but i can accept it.

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Who? Where? What words? Those sneaky little things.

Virumor: If you are proposing a candidate for POTW, please indicate to which one you are referring. Okay, I know you were doing so with tongue in cheek, but you forgot the icon.

What a sad page this is becoming. Can we please get back to discussing mistakes in the movies? I am sure there must be more orcs with watches and things like that.

I've only just got around to watching the last extras disc on RotK, but they mentioned one in there which tickled me. After a gruelling day putting on their best emotional heads for the tearful Grey Havens scene, they noticed after filming that Sean Asten (Sam) had taken his waistcoat off during his lunch break and had forgotten to put it back on. A second day was spent repeating this scene, but when the film came back from the developers, they found it was all out of focus, necessitating a third day's shoot. I got the impression Sean was not Mr Popular over that one.

It's not. In the books, Arwen and Aragorn got betrothed on the hill of Cerin Amroth in III 2980, and since then Arwen had always been a big motivation for Aragorn in his quest for kingship.

In the movies though, none of this is the case : Aragorn even sends her away to the Grey Havens in TTT and then begins flirting with ’owyn. Not to mention, Aragorn even doubts whether he's strong enough to be the King (see the "the same weakness is in my blood" speech).True to the spirit of JRRT's story ? Hah.

And then, originally Arwen was supposed to fight at the battle of Helm's Deep as well, but PJ took it out after some "crackpot Tolkienites" complained too much.


She is a prominent part of the story, even though she stays behind the scenes. Compare to Sauron : isn't he a prominent part of the story, even though he stays behind the scenes ?

Actually, isn't it ironic that in PJ's flicks, Sauron was highly visible in the form of a huge Eye ?

I'm actually fairly disappointed now not to have seen Arwen kick Uruk-Hai butt at Helm's Deep... twas already ruined anyway, so what the heck ? She wouldn't have done a worse job than the Elvish version of Pee Wee Herman : Haldir.

Maybe i played Lineage too much, but i have a weakness for Elven warrior chicks.

A thing that always bothers me is when Pippin screams and rolls away from a Rohirrim horse in the camp of the orcs, his hands are free; but then when Aragorn is tracing what happened it shows Pip cutting the bonds from his wrists after the fact. Or am I mistaken?
I have listened to Viggo read some of his poetry and never thought he had a real Danish accent. And he was born in Manhattan and lived there a while and then lived in Venezuela, Argentina and Denmark, so I don't understand why he would not have some of those countries influence on his speech as well as Denmark. But no matter,for someone that had not even read any of the books when asked to be Aragorn, I thought he did remarkably well.

Are you serious? Are you sure that you just weren't mistaking a part of the pants that he did have on?