No words can describe the distaste I have for Frodo...he is like the ultimate whining machine! HE just goes on and on about "oohhh...the burden...." Sure he carried the ring and stuff but Sam carried HIM! He is always acting like a spolit brat and I really felt like smashing him to pulp. Feel not felt...the feeling did not change...Sam seems to be the portrayal of the saddest gardener in the world to serve the wimpest loser in Middle-Earth...

I can feel the flames of fury of the Frodo supporters in the world. I admit that Frodo may be quite strong too, in his own way, for he was resisting the temptation on the while...which now leads me to realise sumthing...I heard from Erkenbrand that the ring does not exactly tempt the person but amplifies the person's desires, and now it leads me to understand why Frodo and Bilblio were able to resist the temptation so long. Hobbits, for the most part only wish to lead a good life and have no wishes to be a mighty warrior...and also with the characteristics of hobits that can be found in the forum of weekly Tolkien sessions I think...I now think that Frodo was not exactly that strong in willpower to resist it, but it is because the ring has very little to work with!

I'm not a fan of the movie Frodo, but actually, Allyssa, I hadn't even considered that PJ had purposely made him annoying. That's an interesting take on it...I wonder what PJ's intending to do with that, though.

I missed, though, in the movie, the sense of a sort of quiet strength Frodo had in the book. In the book, he was obviously scared by what he had to do and somewhat overwhelmed, but he's resolute and really admirable...in the movie, he's just sort of a snot...

I Like Frodo!!!!

Hmmm....but now that the witch-king knows that Frodo has the ring, won't the whole of Mordor be on the look out of Frodo...In this way how will Frodo complete his quest?

No, the last thing on Middle-earth that Sauron expects is for anyone to be dumb enough to throw The One Ring away. He expects it to now be taken to Minas Tirith where a champion will arise to contest him for dominance of power. Now that Palantir-gazing for Aragorn appears to no longer be viable, this is why he will hastily attack Gondor. He does not wish to allow this champion the time to rally all his forces behind him.

Come on now, you can't hate Frodo!!

Exactly. I mean, he almost died trying to save the world. Even if he did 'whine' a lot in the book, I think I'd probably whine too if I was going through extreme agony on a mission where I knew that IF I completed it, I would die anyway.

ya. i agree with Per again.even Pippin was braver in the movie. and he is younger and smaller[in size]

Me to Prog, that would not be good!

[Edited on 27/2/2003 by Stonehelm]

Frodo.....hmmm....well you gotta love the guy....he volunteered for the ring business and half a groat you can be me Goodwu............wait a sec??? what the heck did I just write?? Oh man Plastic has to much influence in me
Well he is a great guy, brave, sometimes smart and extremely loveable(not Plastic but Frodo no hard feelings Plastic?)

Bored of the Rings is a spoof of LOTR done by the Harvard lampoon, it's very much still available (in a new edition subtitled "NOT A MAJOR MOTION PICTURE") and very funny, just as long as you know a lot about '60s american pop culture, otherwise it's mostly unintelligible.

Does that make you feel better?

So is it a movie or a book?
I’d like to know so I can get it!

It is a book and I recently purchased a copy of it from Am*zon.com by it's reqular name to replace the half-read copy I lost during a plane change in 1972. So now I have finally, after all these years, figured out how the story ends. I never would have waited that long for the original tale's ending.

Who,Who,Who could not LOVE Frodo?!
They did rotten on Faramir,he was awesome in the book but NO good in the movie!!They made Him basicly evil.
I am very dissapointed in you all for thinking Frodo was I quot" Frodo was just being wimpy in the movie."
And many like that!I dont think any of you could have done better with the ring(in the movie)then frodo.
Nothing personal...

I highly doubt that it was boring if Ross AND Grondy bought it and wanted to read it.....I wish I could find it ....... Bored of the Rings here I come!

Hi and welcome to PT LadyBlueAutomnSky! *BIG WELCOMING HUGS* I hope you will enjoy this magnificient Tolkien salute as much as I am!

Cheers PT!!

No i always tell the truth.

Well the truth hurts... maybe you can't handle the truth?

Can we keep things on topic please guys (and girls)

Idle chatter should be done in the chatroom or via PM... Thanks

I don't love him or hate him; the movie diminished his role a bit in its quest to give screentime to other things. (i.e. non Tolkienites crying, "Where'd all the elves go that were in the first movie? C'mon, I want more elves!")


He has some good moments near the beginning "Yes, Sam, I can smell it" and "You will lead us to the Black Gate" and that very well-done exchange between him and Sm’agol, which I think illustrated well, if in rather broad strokes for the benefit of less perceptive moviegoers, the rather complex relationship between Frodo and Sm’agol.

Unfortunely Peter Jackson's rule of thumb in the movies is to make everything ten times worse. Frodo's totally unconscious on the Flight to the Fords. Multiple Ringwraiths are galloping on his tail even in the Shire. ’omer, not Erkenbrand, is missing, along with most of the fighting force of Rohan. And here, Frodo's succombing to the Ring's infuence long before he does in the books, where ’ oh, I don't want to spoil it, but it's not until he gets into Mordor that he really starts changing.

This is a big problem since all of Frodo's scenes of leadership or strength in the first stage of his journey were cut. He comes out very passive. PJ's going to have to do a heck of a job with Shelob in ROTK to restore the casual audience's trust in Frodo that he's a remarkable and brave character. Dashing towards the Black Gate (trying to) was a start, and protecting Sam, and in fact the way he said "You will lead us to the Black Gate", but his scenes got overshadowed by the much more dramatic stuff happening in Rohan.

The other problem is that by undermining Aragorn (on the premise that the audience would not initially accept an utterly perfect, epic-heroic character) PJ had to spend lots of time this movie giving him a makeover. All that death and rebirth stuff. We must hope he'll do the same for Frodo.

Summary: mixed feelings. He was all right. He could have been better.

[Edited on 20/4/2003 by Valedhelgwath]

Frodo from the movie? Well... I love him and I hate him at the same time. I think Frodo has some flaws due to the way he way translated into the movie, he's pretty one-dimensional there. He's whining, and he can be only scared or suspicious, these two emotions are on his face almost all the time. I guess he had to arouse pity in the viewers, but it's a shame that he doesn't have this moxie vibe that I felt when I was reading the books. I don't want to see him only as a weak tool in the enemy's hands (I mean the Ring, but how could i write in the Ring's hands? ). He is the heart of the story, not just a small person with a lot of problems. So I don't hate Frodo character, only the way he way portrayed bothers me.

Ok, Smeagol, two questions; You're a girl right? And also, are you serious? What are you saying?  Not judging, just wondering.

Edited by Amarië.

Yes i am serious. And Frodo was just making faces all the time! Frodo may have been gay, but we'll never know since we cant get an answer from Tolkien's grave!

Edited by Amarië

Well I enjoyed Elijah Wood's performance overall. Was it perfect? Hardly. But I think a lot of the problem was the writing moreso than his performance. It was a little....dreary at times. My BIGGEST issues with Frodo/Sam in the film was the way they looked/talked to eachother. I certainly mean no offense when I say this, but the fact is Wood and Astin came off like a couple of high schoolers in love. They'd get into stupid arguments, they'd stare passionately into each others eyes, and just some of the things they said, in the book or not, just sounded flirty moreso than friendly.

I just know that in the book, I felt they were the epitome of friendship. Nothing could break the connection between them. A connection SO strong that when other's tried to portray it, it just didn't seem quite right. It wasn't constant or bad enough to ruin my opinion on them as actors or the film, but there were some scenes that were just....ridiculous. So while Smeagol might not have chosen the best phrasing, sadly I see where they are coming from and I have to agree. Instead of a loving friendship it was more like they were actually IN love.

But I still loved Elijah Wood as Frodo and Sean Astin as Sam. Considering the roles they had with a Hollywood twist and the insurmountable amounts of pressure that came with them, I thought they did a great job.