Poor Aul’, he's a Sweed, they just don't know any better..
(Don't mind me, just some good old Norway vs Sweeden brotherly love-hate thing. Been going on for ages. They have exactly the same jokes about us as we have about them. )

But to stay in topic: Thak you krissie_g for giving "The quest will claim his life." quote meaning. It has bugged me for some time as I couldn't figure out why Galadriel said that. Except for making us belive he was suppose to die so we would believe Shelob really killed him.

Hehehehe yup....we got alot of jokes about norwegians hehehe. If you can read this then....hehehe Kan du t’nka dig att i USA blir en person ’verk’rd varje kvart.
-Ojd’. Han kan inte m’ s’ bra
hahahahha stupid norweigan...no I am just joking don’t take it the wrong way Amari’!

No, Amari’ I said that about the ringbearers going to the west. Maybe he said it too but I believe I pointed it out first, not Ross.

Here let me clear this up between you two, I said Frodo went to Aman because he earned it, not because Arwen forfited her place. I pointed out that Arwen could have gone to Aman if she wanted to.
And I pointed it out first so Amarie was sort of correct.

Amari’, no biggy. I might have made a mistake myself(though I doubt it this time.) so it’s ok.
Okay Ross maybe you pointed it out first though I do not think so....but let us leave this behind us...

Oh and a question for Val...How do I send private postBodys? it says in my account private postBodys but I haven’t got any....so I wonder what it is and how I use it(if it’s when you communicate personally with another member).....thanks

Oh Val..
I don't think Legolas would have done that. Not being allowed to enter would break Gimlis heart. He probably would have chosen to swim with the fishes rather than to go back. Legolas would rather swim to shore and let Gimli take the boat back, or maybe not leave Gimli at all. It would break his heart to leave his best friend behind, and knowing how sad Gilmi would get Legolas might be to worried to leave him.

Not letting Gimli in would cause so much sadness. Gimli would be devestated, Legolas would be sad and worried sick if he left Gimli, and sad and homesick if he stayed. Aul’ would be sad, Galadriel would be sad, Frodo would be sad, Gandalf would be sad, all of Tolkiens readers would be sad. And Tolkien too I bet. Nienna would cry for him at Manw’s feet and Aul’ would beg. The others would send Gandalf to plead for them (him beeing a maia and all). Letting Gimli in would lead to a better relationship between elves and dwarwes, his love for Galadriel and close friendship with Leogolas would be recognicable for the elves and a brigdebuilder between the two races, making it easier to understand each other. As far as I can see letting him in would only lead to positive things, and I can see no reason to send him back.

Okay, Amarie, you've pleaded your case well enough to move even Mandos (in fact I think you even made Melkor shed a tear). Gimli can enter Valinor

About Arwen forfeiting her place to Frodo, that is not true! She forfeited it to be with Aragorn, and Frodo passed to the west because he was a ringbearer and he well...I guess "deserved" it.
And about Men entering Aman or undying lands, the only thing I am sure is about Earendil in the undying lands, he was given a choice between Elves and Men and he chose to be an elf. Also I read somewhere anout what the undying lands is to other races...I can't quite remember clearly, but I don't think that just being on the undying lands will make a person immortal.
And, Yes! Gimli should be accepted to Valinor! Whooohoooo!

Yeah, just to clear this up, Earendil was indeed Elfy anyway, he just broke the Banishment of the Noldor by going back (cos he was indeed of Noldorin descent) and should really have incurred the wrath of the Valar and the doom of Mandos, however, they're just a bunch of old softies really.

According to the Daily Star (an English tabloid newspaper) 15/2/03 Frodo sacrifices himself and dies (with picture from ROTK).

I don't believe it. Not at all.



'Nuff said.

Yeh, I do have to agree here, as the Daily Star specialises in football and porn.