Thats right Amarie.
(cldn't quote ur whole post. it is 2 long!)

I agree with u. But yes "conversion" is not the correct term. And I m eveready to defend the movies. i find they are good. If a few of the stuff was invented, so what? U try making a LOTR movie faithful to the book from back to front and then also not make it 10hrs. long. ( I m talking to the PJ haters here) U obviously wld have failed. (U can prove me wrong though).

I feel there is no other way to make the movie than to invent a few stuff and see to it that the story is in a free flow for the ppl new to Tolkien. As for deaths, I believe they were solely to extract sympathy and to show the dangerous nature of war.( Even in the RotK trailer there is sch a scene with Gandalf walking between the bodies)

I do like the movies a lot. I will not be "converted" no matter what. But still the book is always better.

[Edited on 17/10/2003 by lord_aragorn86]

I am here to defend Deep Blue Sea, you people are always slagging it off, it can't be exactly like the trailer was, despite the trailer being a classic. You should just accept the changes and enjoy what was basically a fantastic movie, it had Samuel L losing his head for chrissakes! And LL cool J was just great.

ha ha

Trailer? Classic? Changes?
I didn't know that film until someone said it was really, really bad! So I accept the changes even though I didn't know about them, but I still don't like the film

Aul’.. I am really sad about the woman who thought the movies came before the books did. But instead of being angry with her, or with all of the others who have seen the movies but not read the books, try to talk to them. Try to educate them by telling them that there is a wonderful world to explore there, if they would only open their eyes and see it. And if you can't do that, then just sigh, shake your head and turn your back to it. I mean, it's only plain ignorance.

And don't you think she feels pretty stupid when she found out that the books were written long before the moves were even thought of? Why add to her misery now? She's just embarrased herself to people more educated on the subject over the entire country, I think it's bad enough for her as it is.


About the "I hate PJ-Club", I can only say that I personally don't get disturbed by it, but I can still understand Amari’ and agree on the fact that it get's a bit naggy sometimes and sometimes the clubmembers (no names) can sound like a broken record.

Personally I've gotta say: I loved the movies when I first
saw them. Then I started thinking. Then I added other people's opinions on those thoughts. It ended with me being disappointed on the movies from the Tolkienite side of view, but I could still appreciate them for being movies, you know, like you can appreciate X-Files for the special effects, and stuff like that.

I've been trying to work on this though and I've come a bit on the way, even so much that I acctually look forward to the third movie coming, even if I'm still a bit afraid of it disappointing me.

I'd really love for the movies to be like the book. That will probably never be possible though, so we have to settle for the second best, right? Right now I'd say the second best is PJ's movies. Who knows, maybe one day we can have the movies like we want them to be, exactly like we want them to be. Today we don't have that technology though and I'm just thankful that PJ started this giant lproject and atleast made a movie out of the books, which is more than anyone (Bakshi not included) has done before. Atleast I appreciate it for the amount of work that he and others has put into it, and even if they did change a lot of things and added stuff, which I really didn't like, they still did their best to make the all the scenes as good as possible, and I think that just that is worth a lot of respect. I can imagine it's not easy to impersonate the charachters of Tolkien and I would certainly not be able to do a better impersonation myself.

And really, all of you members of this exclusive club.. why don't you just stop caring about the movies and stop wasting your energy getting angry about it and start doing something good instead? Who knows, you may perhaps be the one to make a movie about the books some day and we'll see if there aren't critics much like yourselves complaining on your movies as well. I don't say critisism is bad, but please people, atleast come with constructive critisism and try to imagine yourself in PJ's clothes.

Well first of all I meant on this site but whatta hey. I have to agree with Aire, I just feel sorry for this woman. At first I would have reacted like you and I would propbably switch between laughing like a looney and tearing the paper in shreds with my teeth. I'm sure she's gotten a lot of pepper for what she said and feels pretty stupid. At least she now knows about the books and might become a True Beliver like us.

And if she could get so fired up about protecting PJ, imagine how involved she could become in protecting Tolkien!

Le Grand Bleu???? what’s that?

Fine I'm starting a I butt kiss PJ thread!

I LOVE THE LOTR MOVIES!!!
I LOVE THE LOTR MOVIES!!!


AND NOONE CAN CHANGE THE FACT

I don't know, i discovered the books years before the movies came out. I think every person who reads a lot sooner or later hears about JRRT.

Yeh, i agree Braindead was fun. I still hope to see Gandalf do kung-fu in ROTK. I need a laugh.

Yes but Leon is by far the best film starring Jean Reno. Big Luc Besson fan here!

I thought we were discussing LOTR here!!

More like better to let them have their way!

I really doubt that.

I did. Natalie Portman, as I've said on other threads this is the reason I can't fancy her, Istill see her as a 13 year old.

Still hating Sam, and wanting to say Yes, to Les Visiteurs being a great movie. Did you see the sucky remake? It sucked, but I can't remember what they called it as i've wiped it from my memory.

I have no idea why they are trying to remake good European movies. I have seen two remakes of French movies which were particularly bad. One about a teenager girl on a holiday with her father (Gerard Depardieu), making believe everybody that he was her lover and not her father. It was hilarious in the real French version and horrible in the American version, in spite of the fact that in both movies Depardieu played the father. The second movie was about a young boy reared in Amazonia and then coming to visit his dad in Paris/New York. The French movie was incredibly funny, the American one had perhaps a half of that charm!

I agree, Hollywood ought to use a little more creativity and come up with some new stories; they should stop rewriting good movie scripts into flops. I doubt if there are more than a handful of second edition films that were the equals of their predecessors.

I doubt if PJ's King Kong will work any better than the last one, which I felt was inferior to the original black and white job.

The old Michael Caine Zulu was a great flick, I still choke up during the battle of the choruses.