Thread: Merrys Hobbit name???!!!!!Chilic or Kali...
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I would have to assume that it depends upon when the two paragraphs were written. Not having access to HOME Vol. 12, I can't speak to this topic, but will lean towards that given in LotR until someone proves that J.R.R.Tolkien changed his mind. Are those 'Chilimanzar' and 'Chilic' hobbitish and did they specifically apply to Merry Brandybuck's first name?
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Are those 'Chilimanzar' and 'Chilic' hobbitish and did they specifically apply to Merry Brandybuck's first name?
Are those 'Chilimanzar' and 'Chilic' hobbitish and did they specifically apply to Merry Brandybuck's first name?
Yeah I think so! Oh and there was a little mistake in my first post:
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Merry is called, after the essay ' ON LANGUAGES ' in the HoMEXII, Chilimanzar. But of friends it was called Chilic. That means as much as ' merrily ' and the translation as ' Merry ' was obvious therefore.
Merry is called, after the essay ' ON LANGUAGES ' in the HoMEXII, Chilimanzar. But of friends it was called Chilic. That means as much as ' merrily ' and the translation as ' Merry ' was obvious therefore.
Okay so it woud be that Chikic was the first name what Tolkien gave to Merry in genuine Hobbitish and afterwards he change to Kalimac???
Oldish thread, but...
Yes the names Chilimanzar, Chilic represent rejected draft ideas, superseded by the final published version Kalimac, short name Kali. Back in Frodo's day, nobody really called Merry 'Merry', but Kali rather.
Yes the names Chilimanzar, Chilic represent rejected draft ideas, superseded by the final published version Kalimac, short name Kali. Back in Frodo's day, nobody really called Merry 'Merry', but Kali rather.
"Kalimac" was his name in hobbitish, which usually was shortened to "Kali" by those who knew him. "Kali" meant "joy" in Westron, so when Tolkien translated that to English, he came out with "Merry".
Anyway, this is my current understanding on the naming of Master Brandybuck; but I am certainly no expert on any language, especially not those from the Professor's imagination. I have enough trouble with my own Americaneese.
Anyway, this is my current understanding on the naming of Master Brandybuck; but I am certainly no expert on any language, especially not those from the Professor's imagination. I have enough trouble with my own Americaneese.
Yes Kalimac Brandagamba (Kalimac 'Marchbuck') was rendered by Meriadoc Brandybuck
For the fuller form anyway
For the fuller form anyway
