Wow Vir what can I say, I’m very impressed! Congratulations on having a bit of a more open mind, and for the record I agree with almost everything you said in your post. The characters you mentioned (Faramir, Elrond, Arwen) are the ones that PJ (or should I say Boyens) screwed up the most, and I don’t think that JRRT would’ve been happy with their treatment in the films, but I do think he would have been pleased with some of the aspects of the films.

I guess in a way this is kinda pointless to mention, but I think had JRRT been alive when these films were made, I think PJ and Co. would have consulted with him a lot more on the script, and the films would have been a bit different (in a better way for all of us book purists).

I think you made a good point too that JRRT would’ve been happy that so many people would discover his works because of the films, and I don’t think he would’ve minded that The Silmarillion has been on the top 100 best selling book lists for quite some time now.

On the whole, I think JRR would have been PJ's greatest critic. He would have hated the changes that occured within the story and particularly to the characters. LotR was his baby. There would have been no greater Tolkien purist than the man himself.

Saying that, however, had he watched the extra discs on the DVDs concerning the "making of" the movies, I think even he would have been impressed by the attention of detail that went into each and every scene. I was watching a bit a couple of nights ago about the making of the Meduseld, Theoden's armour and throne etc. Seeing Weta describe the detail and history they were trying to portray in each piece gave me a very similar feeling to reading HOME and seeing Tolkien gradually developing his world. What really stands out with Tolkien's world is his attention to detail at every level, and that is what makes these three films stand out above every other film that has currently been made.

Had he been alive, Tolkien would have probably looked at the detail in Theoden's armour and thought it was all wrong, but I think he would have been pleased they had at least spent the time and effort to get it right.

In a way I think if he were to post here, his response would have possibly been similar to Virumor's. He would have been someone who disliked the films because they deviate from the books, but he would have praised the effort behind them.

Tolkien would say, I think, that Peter Jackson did the best possible job that could have been done putting his books into movie form. He would say, "Not bad."

In my oppinion(nobody wants to hear it, but I'll give it anywho!) the final batle in ROTK was compleatly messed up. That could have been improved upon.

Well, if the director himself thinks that Sauron was nothing more than a flying eyeball, then there isn't much we can do about it.

I found it irrational when the Gate opens, Barad-Dur was suddenly in front of the Dagorlad, while it stood way to the east under the Ered Lithui (which we saw in the map Faramir showed his buddy, although that map is crap too because Minas Morgul wasn't on it) so that movie scene was a major ?.

And Sauron suddenly whispering/hissing 'Elessar'? Aragorn never recieved that jewel from Galadriel (not even in FOTR special EE, he only got a dagger) so it's unlogical and confusing that suddenly that name is coined.

Of course, PJ will still get the Oscar for best director but he can kiss his actor for best book interpretation goodbye.

Yeah. THeyr'e just silly. I think Peter Jackson needs to do something: READ THE BOOK. Oh yeah, you all say he has but I say he approached it wrong when he got the idea of a film. He read it thinking: "How can I make this hollywood?" but he should've read it "How can I portray this in a film?" He's just silly. He needs an essential ingredient of every human being (I know he's not human, but he's close) He needs a BRAIN. He obviously doesn't have one, or the one he has isn't in working order.

Well i thought Peter Jackson did just fine, for a pygmy cave-troll!



Does anyone have fuzzy and fond childhood memories of the unfinished animated version, i loved that when i was seven... Awww *warm feelings of lost innocence*

I cannae remember at what point it ends though..

Is it somewhere after Pellenor Fields?

The animated version? Good? Whatever. I haven't seen it, but on the Tolkien Sarcasm site (It's not all sarcasm) someone wrote in about it, and said that half the time they call Saruman Aruman but they don't even be consistent about it, and that Gandalf is portrayed asa prophet of doomk,k and everyone can't keep still, and whenever they make a point they do the old "milking the cow" movement with their hands. Theyr'e always pacing up and down. ANd everyone has so much hair it's not funny anymore.

Really. Wab. (My word) NOONGNUNGNINGNUNGNINGNUNGNINGNONG! (Another one of my words) *Loni starts bulging her eyes and twitching each of her eyebrows individually, because she can do both of them* I agree. What do you think, guys? Should I take it out of the video rental place up the road?

I think I saw it. But I am not sure. I saw one animated movie where the host of orcs was a footage of german armies, just like, drawn on top of it so the movement and proportions were good, but they all had like small horns in the silouettes (Is that spelled correctly?). I liked the movie about the last unicorn. I saw it when I was younger and I remember it clearly. I want to own it, though. But now that you are all grown up things look different. I remember that Mazinger-Z was the coolest. Then I saw one of the original cartoons a couple of years ago and really expected more. Specially since I had this masive concept in my mind.

I saw the cartoony t.v. series. I didn’t miss it, as a matter of fact. The intro, with "I’m in love with her", was soo cool . Also, I would like to add for the sake of the Thread, that I do think Tolkien would have protested a bit about the movies. I protest about some aspects of the movie myself, and I am just an expectator, imagine being the creator. But there is no denying the trilogy came out for the best and I still refer to it as the greatest ever done... yet.

OMG... Now someone's planning a Bluddy LOTR musical - save US!

Next thing will be something in the order of a LOTR Space-Opera?

I despair, truly I do.

I've posted my feelings when i first arrived on PT, so dont think i can add too much, aside from i do not share Viromir's intense dislike of the Movies, though i recognise there exist flaws that spoiled my total enjoyment of the films... shame really!

Oh and as for Tolkien's views, who can say? Except maybe because he was an altogether English gent, i think he'd feel flattered and honoured by the attempt.

GrevBukMcJern is probably right. It’s mine! Mine, I tell you!
As if someone is going to take "The Passion" as other thing than yet another book adaptation for the big screen.
I saw it. The book is better.

Oh no! In "the Passion", almost all of the characters that are in the book are in the movie. One could say it also ends the same way.

Still, the book is better, not as graphic, but better. And not even a really Really good book, in my opinion.