[Edited on 18/1/2003 by Grondmaster]
Thread: Week 15 - The rest of the LOTR Nasties
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[Edited on 18/1/2003 by Grondmaster]
[Edited on 18/1/2003 by Grondmaster]
From Tolkien's letters #210:
Letter #144
From: The Silmarillion - Valaquenta - Of the Enemies
From: The Book of Lost Tales Part 1 The Coming of the Valar.
Letter #144
Letter #144
Two Towers
[Edited on 19/1/2003 by Rednell]
Quote:
The Balrog never speaks or makes any vocal sound at all. Above all he does not laugh or sneer.
The Balrog never speaks or makes any vocal sound at all. Above all he does not laugh or sneer.
Letter #144
Quote:
The Balrog is a survivor from the Silmarillion and the legends of the First Age. So is Shelob. The Balrog, of whom the whips were the chief weapons, were primeval spirits of destroying fire, chief servants of the primeval Dark Power of the First Age. They were supposed to have been destroyed in the overthrow of Thangorodrim, his fortress in the north. But it is here found (there is usually a hang-over especially of evil from one age to another) that one has escaped and taken refuge under the mountains of Hithaeglin ( the Misty Mountains). It is observable that only the Elf knows what the thing is - and doubtless Gandalf.
The Balrog is a survivor from the Silmarillion and the legends of the First Age. So is Shelob. The Balrog, of whom the whips were the chief weapons, were primeval spirits of destroying fire, chief servants of the primeval Dark Power of the First Age. They were supposed to have been destroyed in the overthrow of Thangorodrim, his fortress in the north. But it is here found (there is usually a hang-over especially of evil from one age to another) that one has escaped and taken refuge under the mountains of Hithaeglin ( the Misty Mountains). It is observable that only the Elf knows what the thing is - and doubtless Gandalf.
From: The Silmarillion - Valaquenta - Of the Enemies
Quote:
For of the Maiar many were drawn to his splendor in the days of the greatness, and remained in that allegiance down into his darkness, and others he corrupted afterwards to his service with his lies and treacherous gifts. Dreadful among these spirits were the Valaraukar, the scourges of fire that in Middle-earth were called the Balrogs, demons of terror.
For of the Maiar many were drawn to his splendor in the days of the greatness, and remained in that allegiance down into his darkness, and others he corrupted afterwards to his service with his lies and treacherous gifts. Dreadful among these spirits were the Valaraukar, the scourges of fire that in Middle-earth were called the Balrogs, demons of terror.
From: The Book of Lost Tales Part 1 The Coming of the Valar.
Quote:
....and that Melko has a son ('by Ubandi") called Kosomot: this, it will emerge later, was Gothmog Lord of Balrogs, whom Ecthelion slew in Gondolin.
....and that Melko has a son ('by Ubandi") called Kosomot: this, it will emerge later, was Gothmog Lord of Balrogs, whom Ecthelion slew in Gondolin.
Letter #144
Quote:
Shelob (English representing C.S. 'She-lob' = female spider) is a translation of Elvish Ungol 'spider'. She is represented in vol II p. 332 as descendant of the giant spiders of the glens of Nandungorthin which come into the legends of the First Age, especiallly into the chief of them, the tale of Beren and Luthien.
Shelob (English representing C.S. 'She-lob' = female spider) is a translation of Elvish Ungol 'spider'. She is represented in vol II p. 332 as descendant of the giant spiders of the glens of Nandungorthin which come into the legends of the First Age, especiallly into the chief of them, the tale of Beren and Luthien.
Letter #144
Quote:
The giant spiders were themselves only the offspring of Ungoliante the primeval devourer of light, that in spider-form assisted the Dark Power, but ultimately quarrelled with him. There is thus no alliance between Shelob and Sauron, the Dark Power's deputy, only a common hatred.
The giant spiders were themselves only the offspring of Ungoliante the primeval devourer of light, that in spider-form assisted the Dark Power, but ultimately quarrelled with him. There is thus no alliance between Shelob and Sauron, the Dark Power's deputy, only a common hatred.
Two Towers
Quote:
Shelob was the last child of Ungoliant to trouble the unhappy world.
Shelob was the last child of Ungoliant to trouble the unhappy world.
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with the colors here? or is that not permitted?
distracting.
wolves.
happens?
grondy?
phantasms which could only take form in the dark
no dead carcasas
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least in early evening
were mistakenly called Wargs... True wargs lived in Rhovannion
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goblins (orcs) who rode the wargs had control of them as man
does a horse, but this was not the case. They merely helped
one another in wicked deeds
scandinavian mythology, and varg is onfact the word for Wolve
in swedish.
wolf
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sauron had a lot to do with the werewolves, so it is possibly
him
my guess
but you had a different idea I believe, Nell
from LOTR, however.
are never really talked about in LOTR, but there are Ettin
moors
Stone, I saw the trolls as a corruption of them
They are said to turn into stone if they meet sunlight. Where
they come from, I don't know.
that too
darkness by the Dark Lord so sunlight would bother them
dangerous race in mockery of the ents"
Dwarves theory
quote for the last hour.
substance from which they were created.
have been very large.
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withstand sunlight.
possibly Olog-hai
have taken the name of another commander of dreaded beasts
the balrog didn't have wings
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the creatures bred by the Dark Lord, the wargs and the trolls?
guy from the circus and at the end he did the human torch, it
was awesome.
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I came back
to say the Valar did not have children
created by Eru
minas morgul?
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her
orcs etc
guard dog
to sauron
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Shelob?
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fall ill
leave an evil residule?
something to do with that
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wasn't she?
cousins but Tolkien said shelob was the last of her kin
whereas Shelob was demonic in nature
evil beasties, lets just discuss the watcher in the water and
the watchers.
the misty mountains, or it may have swam up the Sirannon from
the sea
nothing to do with it
the mountains in the depths or something like that]
sure
is possible that the watcher was responsible for the dammng of
the River Dirannon
its ouw interests
i thought
have sent anything there
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Gundabad
couldnt have sent them
though