Thread: Gandalf not happy
Sir Ian is not happy with all the delays, hope he doesnt pull out.
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He seemed quite excited, but I wouldn't blame him if he dropped out. There's only so long that you can expect talented artists to sit around and turn down all other work offers so they can keep their schedule clear so they can hopefully make your movie at some point in the future. GDT was the first (prominent) casualty of that, and I won't be surprised if there are more, especially as MGM is in negotiations to get yet another debt extension, meaning they have even longer to delay resolving their financial situation, meaning it will be even longer till there is a green-light.
Doesn't it seem like just yesterday that it was 'confirmed' that filming would begin in November 2010 and the first part would be out in December 2012?
Hope he doesnt drop out, wouldnt be the same. Like you said Eldarion, you couldnt blame him
I would be extremely disappointed. He brought such magic and life to the films, and portrayed Gandalf just as I imagined him to be.
Could I blame him? Well, I don't think he'll leave...
"It never happened..except somewhere in our hearts. And yet, there was Hobbiton in three dimensions and smoke coming out of the holes where they live underground. And I believed."
From such strong words, I would highly doubt Sir Ian would leave such a place which he seems to love so much, and I can understand why.
EDIT: 200th Post! Woo-hoo!
And such a great quote in it. It seems fitting to be the 200th.
And didn't he say he was trying to add some of Tolkiens personality into the character??? He did! AND IT WAS GENIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He can't back out now...
No, he won't. If he does, then I don't see a point in making it....
.. no point making it??......Yaaaaaaaay!
You know Odo...
*sputter*...I've just about
...had it with that sort of talk! *goes off to sulk*
If we don't make the movie, we'll still have the book!
That's all we've ever had ---- mind, we still have the Hobbit (Forum) Script... I think the Rights will be up for sale soon the way things are going... and probably cheap... We might just be making it ourselves! Yaaaaaaaay!
He He, I reserve prop/set/character Design!
When I first heard the radio plays I thought Michael Hordern was the perfect Gandalf, (and he would have looked the part), then I saw Bakshi's film and thought the Gandalf in it had a 'quick to anger' quality that I really liked, then I saw FotR and thought that Ian Mckellen was an excellent Gandalf. My point is it might not be as hard a role to fill as you might think if he does leave the production. I suspect if you pick a decent actor with the right voice the beard and the pointy hat does a lot of the rest!
I don't know petty, for me and I think anyone else who have seen the films, anyone else as Gandalf would be wrong. I feel he's become the face of Gandalf, and he'd be harder to change than anyone else in the films! I think its his voice and that twinkle he gets in his eyes that just proves he actually IS Gandalf.
And don't get your hopes up Odo!!!!!!! I have a feeling this isn't going to go down without a fight...
Oh Tin, I'm only thinking of this forum - once the movie is made, won't this forum peeter out?
Well there's a reasonable chance I will need somewhere to come to vent my spleen about what a mess they made of it!
[quote="Wise Odo":349cirkw]Oh Tin, I'm only thinking of this forum - once the movie is made, won't this forum peeter out?
There were forums started amidst the hype for PJ's LotR that are still going - over 10 years later in some cases. I think what's important is that we still care for the community. That's the biggest reason I check in here almost every day: the awesome people who post here.
The Hobbit could be cancelled tomorrow and I'd still check here as long as there are other people posting too.
Exactly, I think of this as more of an all around Tolkien Forum. Not strictly The Hobbit.
Noone but Ian McKellan for Gandalf. He is THE PERFECT WIZARD. He could be Merlin, Dumbledore, Hell, he would have been a awesome Obi Wan Kenobi for that matter. NOBODY is as WIZARD as McKellan. [img:3l1ksyj7]http://www.narniaweb.com/forum/images/smilies/111.gif[/img:3l1ksyj7]
I would much prefer talking about Petty Tyrant's Hobbit than PJ's though.
Ian McKellen is the only wizard for me.
For me, ANY production of The Hobbit is worth seeing, and will have its own value. Even the Rankin-Bass cartoon had merit. The script was a remarkably good short adaptation of a long book. Even the Bakshi LOTR had merit, I'm sure it did. I can't think of any examples right now, but I paid good money to see it at its premier.
Regardless of who plays Gandalf, I personally want to take PJ's The Hobbit for whatever its worth. My sister-in-law reads LOTR every year, but she couldn't stand seeing the films (she only saw FOTR) because they weren't what she envisioned. She was afraid the movies would ruin the images she had created when she read the books. I understand her response, but I think she's missing out on a lot of fun. And no one can ruin The Hobbit for me, other than me. (Visit my website!)
When I was in high school, my friends and I all agreed that Clint Eastwood would be the perfect Aragorn. In retrospect, we may have been wrong. I'm glad I gave PJ a chance to do his own casting. Although it would have been fun to hear Strider say "Go ahead,Witch-king, make my day."
I would miss Sir Ian's perfect Gandalf if he bows out. But there might be someone else, some actor I've never heard of, that's EVEN BETTER. I can't wait!
Who that could be Paul, i do not know, but agreed, movie or no, we won't abandon the forum? Because realistically we talk about several other topics besides the hobbit movie, and personally, I have to say my writing has gotten alot better after all of these posts
Yay! the Forum's back! But something's gotta be done about the color scheme.
I know it ain't possible, but growing up I always thought Alec Guinness would be the perfect Gandalf. (and John Gieldgud for Denethor, Daniel Day Lewis as Aragorn, etc). Even if Sir Ian has to bow out, I think it's easier for actors to imitate a performance than create a new one.
If Sir Ian decides he can't or doesn't want to do TH then whoever replaces him I don't think would have to try and impersonate Mckellans performance. The Gandlaf of TH is a bit different from the one of LotR, this might actually present Mckellan with more of a problem than a new actor would find.
Right you are - Hobbit Gandalf is more storybookish than epic/heroic.
But the acting must still seem like it would develop into the LotR Gandalf. We have to see some of the same personality quirks that can't be captured on paper. It will be interesting to see how it's done.
Indeed there has to be continuity between the performances but TH Gandalf is quite mysterious compared to LotR Gandalf. And devious- look how he sets Bilbo up in the first place and he's certainly more enigmatic, he doesn't ever explain himself his actions or his motives, he just comes and goes as he pleases. And he's also a bit more ominous. At the beginning in particular Tolkien doesn't give away whether Gandalf is even a good guy. Think of the description of him sitting under a cloud of glowing green smoke rings looking like a sorceror. The reader is not entirely certain of Gandalf at the start, and this is added to further by his sudden disappearences, sadly this is something that will be lacking thanks to making LotR first and everyone knowing who Gandalf is.
Mysterious yes, Sinister NO! I never saw Gandalf in The Hobbit that way at all Petty. He just seemed like the archetypal cranky and mysterious Old Wizard (with a sense of humour) to me.
[quote="pettytyrant101":csv70irr]Indeed there has to be continuity between the performances but TH Gandalf is quite mysterious compared to LotR Gandalf. And devious- look how he sets Bilbo up in the first place and he's certainly more enigmatic, he doesn't ever explain himself his actions or his motives, he just comes and goes as he pleases. And he's also a bit more ominous. At the beginning in particular Tolkien doesn't give away whether Gandalf is even a good guy. Think of the description of him sitting under a cloud of glowing green smoke rings looking like a sorceror. The reader is not entirely certain of Gandalf at the start, and this is added to further by his sudden disappearences, sadly this is something that will be lacking thanks to making LotR first and everyone knowing who Gandalf is.[/quote:csv70irr]
After Gandalf saved the dwarves and Bilbo from the trolls I knew he was good guy for sure! But to be honest I think that LOTR is so well known, even before the PJ movies that most people would know a bit about Gandalf and what he does.
Agreed Ally, for me the trollscene is where Gandalf shows his colours for the first time, up till then he could be up to anything! But with everyone knowing who Gandalf is that won't come across in the film.
Well there are some ignorant people in this world! Let's just hope that everybody knowing who Gandalf is, is the worst part of the film. Then if the film ever actually gets the go ahead we will have an excellent film!
It's unfortunate, but it happens all the time with famous stories. Even without PJ the LOTR Gandalf is more famous than the Hobbit one simply because LOTR is better-known. It's like people watching Star Wars knowing that Darth Vader is Luke's father. You lose something but they're still great movies.
I think in that case that PJ will actually expand on Gandalf's character as opposed to not knowing much at all about him, like in TH. That's why I think they'll have 2 movies; to expand. Since TH preceeds LOTR, but the movie doesn't, the story will have to be changed a bit to give more information instead of less.
Well, if Ian isn't happy, I think they'll just have top cancel the films. Oh well.. it was good while it lasted. Oh Forumers - we'll still have each other! I think that's the important thing to keep in my mind. The their movie idea was never more than a pipe dream, let's face it... and we can always go back to our own script at some stage!
There's [i:2xa1rdys]a[/i:2xa1rdys] pipe dream somewhere in that post, but I'm not sure you spotted it.
YES -- I wrote it --- spelled it out -- I REALLY JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT ELDO. (You are quickly losing your mantle as Loremaster btw. Oh well - as usual - I'll just have to step up to the plate - I'm already almost everything to everyone anyway, why not one step more! Poor overworked Odo!)
"The night is always darkest before the dawn"
"None the less, the dawn brings me hope"
ONWARD GENTLEMAN!!!! DO NOT LOSE HOPE!
I'm not sure everyone here is hoping for the same thing.
Personally I'm not sure what to hope for...
[i:18le78vm]We live in hope,
We have our dreams,
No matter how much
Those Liberals scheme,
We hope and pray,
They'll film it true,
Please! A Respectful Film!
None of PJ's wimmy-woo![/i:18le78vm]
Homer: "The Illiad." Canto twenty seven.
Well, I do have sympathy for GB - he and his loose moralled cohorts do mean well! Misguided, yes, but they are only Men (and Boys)!
[quote="Wise Odo":33avrggt][i:33avrggt]We live in hope,
We have our dreams,
No matter how much
Those Liberals scheme,
We hope and pray,
They'll film it true,
Please! A Respectful Film!
None of PJ's wimmy-woo![/i:33avrggt]
Homer: "The Illiad." Canto twenty seven.[/quote:33avrggt]
[quote:33avrggt]'Tell me,' said Pippin, 'is there any hope? For Bilbo, I mean, in his new movie?'
Gandalf put his hand on Pippin's head. 'There never was much hope,' he answered. 'Just a fool's hope, as I have been told. And when I heard of Peter Jackson--' He broke off and strode to the window, as if his eyes could pierce the night in New Zealand. 'Peter Jackson!' he muttered. 'Why that director, I wonder?' He turned. 'Just now, Pippin, my heart almost failed me, hearing that name.'[/quote:33avrggt]
From J.R.R. Tolkien, "The Siege of My Books", [i:33avrggt]The Secret History of Middle-earth, Volume VIII[/i:33avrggt].
From J.R.R. Tolkien, "The Siege of My Books"[/quote:6icdjtdt]
Hey Eldo, where did the Pippin one come from?
Or have I missed something on forum?
[quote="Odo Banks":gxkhlnga]Hey Eldo, where did the Pippin one come from?[/quote:gxkhlnga]
[quote="Eldorion":gxkhlnga]From J.R.R. Tolkien, "The Siege of My Books", [i:gxkhlnga]The Secret History of Middle-earth, Volume VIII[/i:gxkhlnga].