I think it has long since passed the point of silly. We have Frodo, Merry, Frodo's dad, Galadriel, Radagast the entire WC in fact, the Necromancer, I wouldn't be suprised to see some Black Riders thrown in and a crowd pleasing cameo from the Balrog, thank the Valar Viggo seems to have had the good sense to say 'no, you made an arse of RotK PJ and ruined Aragorn I ain't coming back so you can ruin TH'.
Do you think they have remembered this is supposed to be an adaptation of TH? At this rate rather than saying 'based on the works of' they will have to change it to 'very loosely based on, well not really based on at all, we've just nicked the character names but changed everything else and made out own story up but otherwise its based vaguely on a book by JRR Tolkien, well, when we say based we mean not based, in fact nothing like'!!
Guys, guys! We're talking about the Hobbit Movies. Peter is not suggesting we rewrite the book. They are two different things. Remember, too, that Lord of the Rings was "based" on the books, wonderful films too, and so will The Hobbit Movies. You must not fret so much. In a way, I'm looking forward to some new things. We still have the book no matter what:-Jane
No, no and no again!! There is a world of difference between making changes to a book for reasons of time, suitability to medium or because there is a better visual way to convey the narrative and rewritting the thing. Adaptation is not an excuse to make 3/4 of the thing up to suit yourself.
I repeat most of TH film we have heard about so far has [b:1i1a5238]NO[/b:1i1a5238] text to base it on. PJ and the Coven will be making it [i:1i1a5238]all[/i:1i1a5238] up, every single word uttered will be non-Tolkien, never conceived by Tolkien. It will be pure PJ, just think, pure PJ that's all the worst bits from the LoTR films (unless anyone wants to argue the Tolkien based bits are worse), except loads of it, huge chunks of Legolas surfing a shield standard writing, Frodo sending away Sam, remember how bad those bits were? how poorly they could imitate Tolkiens dialogue and style? And the way things are shaping up there will be more made up stuff in the Hobbit than actual Hobbit stuff.
[quote="pettytyrant101":28h6z0oq]PJ and the Coven will be making it [i:28h6z0oq]all[/i:28h6z0oq] up, every single word uttered will be non-Tolkien, never conceived by Tolkien. It will be pure PJ, just think, pure PJ that's all the worst bits from the LoTR films (unless anyone wants to argue the Tolkien based bits are worse), except loads of it, huge chunks of Legolas surfing a shield standard writing, Frodo sending away Sam, remember how bad those bits were? how poorly they could imitate Tolkiens dialogue and style?[/quote:28h6z0oq]
Dude, PJ might not be able to hold a candle to Tolkien when it comes to storytelling, but he is [i:28h6z0oq]far[/i:28h6z0oq] from as bad as you make him out to me. If you really think the LOTR movies are this horrible (and as I recall you put them on your list of worst movies when we had a thread about that), you need to watch some [i:28h6z0oq]real[/i:28h6z0oq] bad (fantasy) movies, like [i:28h6z0oq]Eragon[/i:28h6z0oq] or [i:28h6z0oq]The Last Airbender[/i:28h6z0oq].
I don't find the argument 'it's sh*t but theres worse sh*t out there' very encouraging for some reason.
Hey, that was my line that I used with GB.
I'm not saying whether or not GB is bad - that's an opinion and, honestly, one that I can see some merit to. However (and this is a more general comment than a direct response to this thread), it seems like you overstate things when you say (or imply, as the case may be) that PJ is the worst or close to the worst. I may just have misinterpreted you, but that thread about worst movies stood out in my memory.
Again though, it's fine if you think PJ is sh*t, and I don't want to debate that, even though I don't entirely agree.
Plagarism Eldo is a form of flattery- or at least thats a good thing to say if caught!!! You were right to deploy such an argument with GB and I am right to do so with you!
As to LotR being on my worst films list- they are but thats not for technical reasons. I factor in disappointment levels and no films have ever been so heartachingly disappointing to me as the LotR. And they got progressively more heartbreaking with each film as PJ and the Coven departed Tolkiens story for flights of (poor) fancy of their own contrivance. Thats why I list them amongst my worst films- sheer disappointment (and frustration- they look like LotR, they sound like LotR but the proof of the pudding is in the eating and they made me sick).
Technically speaking one of the worst things I have ever watched is the first few Doctor Who episodes which feature booms in shot, wobbly sets and cameras, people talking over each other by accident and mumbling their lines or forgetting them entirley, shots that go out of focus for no reason or even miss the action they are supposed to be filming and even mistimed sound effects- and they still have more genuine heart to them than PJ's LotR films. Its not always about the technical issues. Mainly its scripts I rail against and the LotR films have terrible scripts.
Hope that clears up any misunderstandings over how I view PJ and the films.
That does clear things up a bit - thanks Petty.
Also, [url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hollywood/news-interviews/Orlando-Blooms-priceless-cameo/articleshow/7259441.cms:y0qdntxd]Times of India[/url:y0qdntxd] is reporting that Orlando Bloom will be paid a million dollars for a two minute cameo in The Hobbit. I'm more interested in the fact that his cameo will be so brief than the size of his salary though; if this is true I'm encouraged. The mention of Merry is not quite so encouraging.
Well, I would love to see Legolas again, maybe they can give him some more dialog other than pointing out the obvious, which quite literally is all he did in the movies. And I haven't seen Orlando in a movie in a while. It'll be... refreshing at best. And if it's any consolation, my mother thinks it's a horrible idea. She reminds me of all you purists!
Act 9 Scene 12:- Legolas pointing out things.
Legolas (pointing): "Gandalf! There he is."
Gandalf: "Who is it, my friend Legolas Greenleaf, Elf Prince and wonderful archer, who is also the son of the Forest King from the Great Greenwood, also known as Mirkwood?"
Legolas: "That golden shimmer in the air, like a dragonfly..."
Gandalf: "My goodness me! Illuvatar knock me down down with a sunbeam... It's...."
Legolas (who is now pointing even more thoughtfully): "Smaug."
Gandalf: "I wonder where he's going?"
Legolas: "To Lake Town, to Lake Town, to Lake Town."
Gandalf: "Well, that's amazing... I wonder why, it's not Market Day... Legolas, oh how your finger points, but why are you suddenly pointing in an entirely different direction?"
Legolas (pointing urgently now): "It's a Dark Shadow... It's coming from Dol Guldur...."
Gandalf: "I wonder who that could be?"
Legolas (pointing at Aragorn with great pathos): "That child will have a big future."
Gandalf: "Yes, and that elf girl is giving him the eye... Little hussy. She's three thousand years old, isn't she? What's he, eight or nine? Where's
Elrond... He'll be pissed off..."
Legolas (pointing at Elrond poignantly): "There he is. Standing with Saruman and Galadriel."
Gandalf: "Well, everyone's here now."
Legolas (pointing fearfully and pregnantly at a bush under a dark entangled tree): "There is a strange gangrel creature hiding behind that bush."
Gandalf: "Is that Faramir, do you think?"
Legolas: "I don't know --- all I can do is point..."
Gandalf: "But you do so in a truly Shakespearan fashion, Legolas, bravo!"
I don't think there is too much to worry about (unless you are Petty
). Bloom as Legolas is only likely to make an appearance in the most likely parts: in passing at Thranduil's halls, and more at length in the Battle of 5 Armies sequences.
Regardless of how much screen time Legolas gets its still a single part in a worrying trend to fill the films with non Hobbit material!