Thread: I just saw The Hobbit!
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Welcome back Marghana 
I love PJ's version of The Hobbit
Just seen it as well, in 3d! It's so epic. I didn't want it to end and i just can't wait for the next one.
I must agree with Marghana, I went in with extreme anxiety but walked out with a smile on my face. Fifteen years ago, I would have argued (an did!) that the MiddleEarth I love dearly could not be done justice. I was pleasantly surprised and in some instances blown away with Jackson's work in LOTR, and feel the same way after viewing the Hobbit. I look forward to the next episode and to reading new posts from those being introduced to Master Tolkien's world!
I went to see the Hobbit and enjoyed it a lot and even more the second time around too. True that some scenes were re-written but I understand why it was done. I don't feel that it affected the story negatively.
Now I am hungry to re-read LOTR and the Hobbit and eager for the next film. 1year is too long to wait for the next Hobbit film.
Can't wait until tomorow because Ill finally return to ME on the screen!!!
That's what I was doing. before the movie I avoided comments and opinions, even majority of the pictures and trailers 
Too bad the movie just came into my country, so I many people watched it before and now I'm a bit delayed
I'm waiting for your opinion about the movie, Brego! Good to see your posts again (not because you weren't posting, but because I wasn't online for some time )
EDIT: Brego, I'm looking forward to you opinion about the music
Good morning friends,
I saw this post here and I could not just leave it. I had to write down what I think of the movie.
I am sorry I just pop out here and write down a more or less critical text without writing somthing about myself. I guess by the wander of my fingertips that this might be a sign of precaution. Being the loudest and as soon as it goes heavy keep quiet is nothing rare in our society...
The movie was, against my expectations, not bad. It was quiet good. I enjoyed the music, especially the song of the dwarves in the beginning. Made me shiver.
Certain characters were developed quiet well (the brown magician for example) and the scene with all the orks in the mountains was striking. Really.
But like everything in live it also had some negative aspects in my opinion:
The sorcerer he invented was useless and considering that there are just very few magicians on middle-earth (gandalf and company) make it hard to believe that suddently there is a sorcerer trying out some things.
Additionally the meeting with Galadriel and Saruman was not that well either. Why put Saruman in that round? Just to creat some more background and connections even though Tolkien created a background for around 50 books to write?
Totally hated the german translation of one of the riddles of gollum (I watched it in german first), and I think it's sad that they changed the scene where Bilbo comes back to the group (after solving Gollums riddles).
On the other Hand the technique is amazing. Nearly stunning!
My negative aspects are minor of course, but they're there... All in all it was a good movie, though not to compare with 'The lord of the rings', but good. And this is what counts, right?
Tom
I'm wondering if the translation, as you mentioned was very flawed.
Oh. It was a long time ago that I read the book 'the Hobbit'. Must have slipped my mind. Thank you for the correction!
Yes Cirdan is missing too. The boatbuilder... You'd have to make a list about those missing characters.
Well the translation cut of more or less half of a riddle (the 'time' riddle) which was very unpleasant.
I could be completely wrong about this, but I believe the White Council did consist of multiple members, including Glorfindel, Cirdan and Radagast, but at that specific meeting it was only Galadriel, Saruman, Elrond, and Gandalf. IIRC I think I read this either in Unfinished Tales or in one of The Appendices.
Also the meeting itself was hardly mentioned in The Hobbit, so a lot of it is open for interpretation. In fact I'm pretty sure the specific term "The White Council" isn't even mentioned in The Hobbit or LOTR, thus the term can't be used, so technically it's "the gathering of white wizards and others of wisdom" or whatever it was they said. Careful, they might sue you for three words!!!
The White Council? How would Radagast get in that? Saruman disdained him for his rank, his odd ways, and the potential threat he posed. I highly doubt that Radagast would even want to be in it. He seems like more of a loner.
Well it's interesting, as is everything about Radagast...
Though he was a little loopy, he was still part of the Istari. He was powerful, just not as powerful as Gandalf or Saruman. And while there isn't much mention of him being in TWC, he is still believed to be a member. I can't remember where but I read a line about the three wizards in the council. Not verbatim obviously but you get the idea. It's another subtle Tolkien reference in which all signs point to he was.
And I doubt he was always like that. Living in solitude in the forests of ME for a few thousand years is what made him so....cooky and odd.
Oh and also I don't think Saruman ever feared Radagast. Disdained and made fun of yes, but he certainly did not view him as a threat. Gandalf was the one he feared...
Well put yourself in Saruman's shoes. Radagast was friends with the birds and beasts of Middle-Earth. There were enough of these to make an army of foxes, squirrels, birds, etc. Saruman also may have feared that Radagast would stand up to him and present a real threat. Sauron didn't fear the Gondorians, but he did know they were a threat. He didn't fear Hobbits, and yet they were his downfall. My point is this, Saruman obviously knew Galadriel's philosiphy that even the smallest person can change the course of the future and he viewed Radagast as more than the smallest person. You have to admit, Radagast would have been a formidable ally against Saruman, even though he was of less rank. He had powers unique to himself. THat alone would be reason for Saruman to fear him.
So Radagast would only be a threat to him by joining and helping The Wise.
Yeah I'd have to agree with Brego. Sure in a sense Saruman "feared" everybody. However I can assure you he did not see Radagast as a threat. He saw him more as a moron he could manipulate. Sure maybe if Radagast joined an army of maiar and powerful elves he'd be a good ally, but conversely Saruman doesn't need an army to take him down. And he certainly didn't fear the birds and beasts of ME, otherwise he would've been expecting an attack by the ents. And it's not like Radagast could just summon an army of animals overnight. His influence was very, very minor in ME. Not to mention Saruman already has plenty of evil and traitorous animals on his side.
So no, I don't think Radagast would stand a chance against Saruman.
Forgive me frends, but I stand by my belief that Saruman feared Radagast. A perfect example from my own experience; a very popular person in my clas is scared silly of a frend of mine, a nerd. The nerd is weaker and slower while the popular one is strong and a running back on the football team. The football player is scared of the nerd because the nerd has something the football player does not possess, knowledge. Those who are ignorant of the gifts and talents of others will always hold them in awe and in most cases fear.
Just saw the film again, this time in 2d, much better and I recommend that if you haven't already seen the film see it in 2d. Much more enjoyable.
Cried again during the Eagles rescue...... Simply breathtaking! The music, the savage and gentl Eagles of Manwe, Loved it!
Saruman being a traitor himself probably fell in his own trap. Maybe he saw a danger everywhere. It was the unexpected that he feared the most. For him the unlikely events were a danger, when Gandalf saw it as a chance. That's how I see it.
Cried again during the Eagles rescue...... Simply breathtaking! The music, the savage and gentl Eagles of Manwe, Loved it!
The Eagles make me cry everytime when they appear on a screen! Really, I don't know how it works Maybe it's because I'm aware of how sacred they are, and how much their presence in ME is sacred.
