Glorfindel wrote: I understand where Brego is coming from. It sounds like the quote is generalizing.
Then why should Brego say that he disagrees with what I wrote based on the citation? Or that the quote is vague and contains 'multiple' meanings? Here you appear to agree with the description, but add that maybe it doesn't hold for every single Elf.
That's another possible 'loophole' argument, but in any case the problem for Peter Jackson and his fans would remain if the film itself did not note Tauriel as an exception to the norm. Implying [even silently] that the exception is the norm still goes against the 'lore' of Middle-earth...
... a good example is the fan fiction of many Elves wedding mortals in Middle-earth. In Tolkien's world a few did, yes, but these are the exceptions not the rule, and to silently imply otherwise in a film still steps on Tolkien's world in my opinion.
I guessed that the 'exception' argument was coming [from someone], even though Tolkien himself doesn't note any exceptions to the rule as far as warfare goes [at least here], yet he does as far as healing goes. But if Jackson or his fans want to play this card it still has to remain an exception.
I'm not sure Peter Jackson cares that much here in any event. I think it's probably a case of: Hollywood wants a female Elven warrior, so invent one, whether it's so in Middle-earth or not.
The majority of elf "society" may be that way, elf-men goes to war and elf-women are the healers, but not every elf is like that. A good example would be Galadrial. As I recall she was the one who broke down the walls of dol guldor and helped fortified/defense preparation of Lothlorien.
In my opinion that's not a good example actually, as Galadriel throwing down the walls of Dol Guldur after the destruction of the One, and after her realm had been assailed three times, is hardly the same as her taking up a sword or bow to fight on the line when Lorien was first assailed.
A better example might be her defense of Swan-haven, but that could [in my opinion] be the perfect example of what Tolkien notes here in Morgoth's Ring: 'Indeed in dire straits or desperate defence...'
In any case Galadriel was not 'Captain of the Guard' or similar, for example.
Brego wrote: Exactly Glorfindal. I would think that even the average Elf Maiden would have power, knowledge and skill far beyond that of a Mortal female.
Not really the issue here Brego. Luthien was not the leader of Beleg's warriors despite that she had all these things far beyond that of mortal females.
Simply they with the advent of years would accrue the knowledge and skill to allow them to slip into fight mode, when needed, or wanted.
In the quote Balrogs raised and from which I noted specific points -- keeping in mind that you said that you disagreed with me -- JRR Tolkien says that Elf-women could fight when needed: 'Indeed in dire straits or desperate defence, the nissi fought valiantly...' a point which I acknowledged early on when I wrote [and here with more emphasis]:
'_In general_ it appears that Tolkien's nissi [Eldarin women] do not normally fight 'professionally' despite that they can _defend themselves at need. _'
If Tauriel merely slips into fight mode, due to some scenario that leaves her little choice, then to my mind she would fit well enough with this description from Morgoth's Ring.
In my mind Elves don't have the same sexisist ideals that we do. I think a female Elf would do whatever they wanted, despite there Lords.
Yet Tolkien notes that there were differences between neri and nissi, both by natural inclination and established by custom, and immediately and specifically refers to healing versus the taking of life [hunting and war] as an example of one such difference.