I'm with you on that one, negra. There were changes that niggled me with the first one, mainly the added screen time given to Arwen, but as films, I thought they were both wonderful. No doubt RotK will have parts which will send the purist's blood running, particularly if there is no Scouring of the Shire, or if Aragorn ends up one to one with Sauron, but it will be a great film whatever.

Someone PLEASE tel me that PJ just er... moved the Pippin/palant’r scene rather thatn flushing it!

From what I have heard, PJ only moved it to the last film.

According to popular rumour, Elladan and Elrohir are not in.

My daughter is looking forward to the wedding. I hope there is going to be one!

Yup Sheryl,from what I hear they do

’Don’t know if I’ll see it....I do not want to.....it is a disgrace to the Tolkien family.....I shall not contribute to PJ’s income.....only if I get it for free then I will see it!
But I know that I will hate it....I truly will hate it!

I can hardly wait to see it.

If our 'Negative Trio' decide to boycott it, that leaves more room for the rest of us and only hurts them, because if they haven't seen the movie, their individul pans of it won't hold any water and may be removed for lack of credibility.

Even if i wasn't going to watch it (which i thought of doing until now), Grondmaster just gave me a reason to watch it in his previous post.

Seeing it will probably cause my own death and it doesn't worth watching it, but as a defender of Tolkien's work i am obliged to watch it, whatever the cost.

To Ross, virumor, and Aule, I can completely accept, and appreciate the fact that you guys don’t like the movies, and hate PJ. Honestly I’m glad that there are hardcore defenders of the faith out there preaching the truth of the books. All in all (whether you guys believe it or not), I’m probably a bigger purist than all three of you when it really comes down to it, but the difference between us is that I can separate the films from the books, and understand the working differences between the two. I’m not a PJ hater, but I’m not a PJ worshipper either.

The bottom line is that these films are by far the best attempt anyone has ever made at making LOTR into movies, and I highly doubt anyone will ever try to make LOTR into films again. Like it or not, this is most likely the best we will ever get, and as a huge Tolkien fanatic, I for one would rather have them (for the good things), as opposed to not having them at all. Sure I have my gripes, and some things that bother me, but I could say that about any movie that’s ever been made from a book, and so can everyone else.

When the dust finally settles, and we can take all three SEE DVD’s together collectively as a whole (not the theatrical versions, because they fail in comparison to the SEE’s), I think even the most negative of us will be able to see that collectively, all three films do actually follow the books reasonably well as a whole. The positives, and the things PJ and Co. got right by far outweigh the list of negatives, and again, I’d rather have the joy of having those things than having nothing at all.

Sam and Frodo get married then, hooray!



I'd say yes please, that would be very, very cool to see. Knackers to the books, I wanna see a cool movie.

Maybe PJ has decided to make it more upto-date and ads a gay-wedding instead of the third wedding mentioned in the book (if you don't know who it is, I won't tell). You never know with PJ!

Everyone who knows anything knows* that PJ's three weddings will be Aragorn to Th’oded's horse, Gandalf to Ioreth, and finally Ted Sandyman to Rosie Cotton.




*Don't believe any of the above.

Cat in the hat and the MR Men ones. Also Thomas and his friends on the islands of Sodor.
Yes I remeber the Legolas bit. I never once said it was perfect I just said it was better.

Great point Plastic, and 100% true! I’ve said the same thing in a few of the threads on this site before. At the end of the day it’s New Line, not PJ who have the final say. Anyone who has read any interviews with PJ knows that New Line has forced him to make an awful lot of concessions with the films. That’s why I’ve always said that if PJ had his way, each one of the films would have been 4+ hours in length, and the theatrical versions of the films would have been basically the SEE’s.

Everyone who has seen the SEE of LOTR (even people who haven’t read the books) knows that the SEE is far superior to the theatrical version. Everything they put back into the SEE’s is all stuff that’s straight from the books. Like I said in my previous post, I think when we can take all 3 SEE’s together collectively as a whole, people are going to see that the films have in fact followed the books reasonably well. I don’t agree with, or like everything PJ has done, but overall he has done an outstanding job with the films. If the bashers want to blame someone, blame New Line not PJ, because that’s where the blame ultimately rests.

I have seen the extended edition and that was just as bad. The only difference being it was longer, with yet more mistakes to annoy me.

It's not that PJ hasn't made three good films. He has however, made three really bad LOTR films, if you see the difference. If the title of the movies were changed to Lord of the Things, or equivalent, I would have nothing but compliments for PJ.

Hahahahhahahaha....I hear you Ross and I agree....he is a ****** and a ****** and his movies are just ********

Peredhil have we finally converted you? Or have you always been there in the shadows waiting to release some pressure?

Hahhahahahha.......that’s ok Amari’....let go of the pressure.....reveal to us how much you despise the movies hahahahha

The dark side always fails. Haven't you read Lord of the Rings good enough Aul’ to know you can't win?

Quite right! I hope that's taught you never to pick on a stupid midget.

I never ever have made a post in which i personally attacked PJ saying he's a ********* or something. i've always tried to criticize the movies in a constructive way. i never said anything like "i hate the movies, so you guys hate them too or you aren't real tolkienites". but it's ok, i wouldn't have any problem if u erased all my posts concerning the movies.

i've already wasted too much energy in making **** posts about the movies. i've been too narrow-minded and acted like a ****. i apologize for this. It are just movies, nothing more, nothing less.The world won't be better off with or without them. the whole purpose of the movies and all movies is just to make ppl forget that the world they live in, is the opposite of heaven.

so in future, i won't try to take that away from you ppl, anymore. Mea culpa.

I'll back that!

Amen to the Squirrel, and amen to Val, both of your posts are much appreciated, and extremely warranted under these circumstances!

virumor, Ross, and Aule, personally I have no problem with you guys. I know that you love the books, and that you love Tolkien, and I can respect the fact that you guys don’t like the movies, but all of the negativity over and over again is getting old.

In all fairness though, I think that you guys should be allowed to voice your opinions, so my suggestion would be to start your own anti LOTR movies/anti PJ thread. That way you guys can continue your conversations about hating the movies, and about hating PJ, and anyone else who feels the same is welcome to join you guys there.



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I read your last post virumor, and I appreciated what you had to say. Thank you for that!

I know what you mean Virumor, it would be like preaching to the choir. You can't have a one-sided discussion.

That said, I have to agree with Plastic's and Val's comments.

Why are we all trying to convince each other the movies are bad or good? Can’t we just accept our differences. Liking or disliking the movies is just a matter of taste, it doesn’t make anyone good, bad or stupid. The movies are different from the book, that’s something we all agree on. For me personally, the movies take me to a different world, a world that is presented realistic enough to make me believe it actually existed or still exists somewhere. So far, only Star Wars could convince me in that way. For others the movies do not have that effect. I can understand that. And I do think when you’ve seen the movies over and over again, up to 50 times like some of us, they lose part of their magic. Too much is never good. When you read the books, it takes some time to finish the whole story and as for me, when I finish the book, I can’t start reading it again the next day. I need some time to let it all come to rest again and think things over in my mind. After a few weeks or months, I can start reading it again. Also reading the books, makes you creating the images yourself, they are your own imagination and will certainly differ from how other people see them. And because it takes more time to read the story, you spend more time in the world you created in your mind. Movies on the other hand are faster. You can see them all in one day if you want. If you watch them several times a week or a month, I think it’s quite normal you get enough of them. Also images are presented to you in a rather fast sequence. You don’t have to create them yourself and you spend less time in the imaginary world and they conflict with the world you had in your mind. All I’m trying to say is that books and movies give you a different approach of the same world and even if the story would be told the same way, without the changes, they would still be different and there would still be people liking or disliking them. Ross and Aule, please try not to see things so extreme negative. Don’t throw things away only because it’s not how you imagined it, because you risk missing some good idea’s or different point of views. I never felt sorry for Gollum, until I saw the movies and I didn’t like Gandalf until I saw the movies. Open up for other people’s point of view. This doesn’t mean you have to agree with it. But your posts are becoming more and more negative, sometimes I get the feeling you are breaking down posts of people who like the movies and then you risk hurting people without meaning to. This can’t be your intention, right. I don’t have much time to spend at PT, so I don’t know you so well, except from the anti-PJ posts, but I would love to learn more about you.