I think every photographer hates being photographed.. I personaly cant stand it.... There is one photographer friend i have that I allow to photograph me, because i know he will do a good job and he knows what i like... but no one else!


90 pictures eh... not bad not bad... a very respectable number! I went to Zion National Park in Utah last summer... in three days, i shot i think 9 rolls of 36! and that was going easy.. the only reason i didnt shoot more was i ran out! :P

I used to be a great fan of photography but in 1996 I bought a video camera and it is so much much much m,ore funny, with movement and sparkling light... Since that I am recording practically everything whiich catches my eye...

I love photography...but, like Tommy said - it cost so much to develope them that I don't often take too many pictures.

hey, if anyone had any pics they'd like to show off, they should email them to everybody here...I know I'd like to see some of your work, if anyone's got anything nice.

checked out your sites, gimli...good stuff - I like the 'urban landscapes' section in the one.

Anybody into astrophotography? I've been poking around with it a little bit...planning on staying up tonight and seeing what I can do

Checked out your site Gimli, and even though I dont know anything about Photography, I liked what I saw very much! Especially the pic of your Grandfather (?), as a writer I just love faces with character. Wonderful.

And you are not in the least bit funny looking! Although I was expecting a beard and an axe....

I think it does, cos I've never heard of it. I'm proud to say that I sometimes take the time to watch the stars by night, and now I can already trace the Big Bear and Orion. And sometimes you can even see a satellite go by, if you're lucky.

Wow! I'd love to see a shooting star. Never seen one...

I have the same problem.. I live in a large city... But I still can see a bit..

It's a conspiracy I tell ya! I think we should all make a point of destroying any light bulb we come in contact with...

who's with me??

I'll just dig out my trusty Red Ryder BB-gun.

Oh goody, I don't know anything about this subject

Question1: What do you photography buffs think of the digital camera? Is the art ot photography lost then, since it's all computerised? Do you get the same quality & feel that you'd get using a Leica (sp?) or one of those good old-fashioned cameras?

Question 2: So if the answer to (1) is positive, shall I get a digital camera instead of a normal one? Or a video-cam? It's not for me but a (surprise) present for my hubby. What's a good one to get?

Thanks!

[Edited on 16/9/2002 by Ungoliant]

Well, lets see.. I have both Leica, and Digital cameras... Is digital the same quality as Leica? no.. but then, how many people looking at photos other than photographers would notice that anyways? First off, video and still are two different things.. Don't expect either one to do both well, Some digital cameras take small movies, but they are short, very small, and mostly useless, some video cameras can take Still photos, but again, the images are small, not very clear, and usually not worth the effort it takes to make one... Its best to have two seperate cameras, one for motion, and one for still.


now then about digital.. It depends on what you do with it.. If you like to email a lot then they are great, but dont forget that you need to have a good computer that can handle larger files with out locking up on you.. and if you want to print photos, you will need a photo quality printer.

Digital cameras have different resolutions. The higher the resolution, known as Megapixels, the larger the photo quality print you can make with it... roughly it breaks down that a 2 MP camera will make a 5x7 photo quality, 3MP makes an 8x10, and 4MP somewhere around an 11x14 etc.. now there is much arguement about what is true photo quality.. most professionals say 300 ppi.. which is 300 Pixels Per Inch.. realisticly, you cant really see a difference between a 300 ppi print, and a 200 ppi print, so who cares.. if you print at 200 ppi you get a larger picture. the numbers i quoted above for MP/ print size are based at a 200 ppi print. the tricky part is that what a professional photographer considers to be photo quality, is often more than a consumer would consider.. ie, consumers are usualy more forgiving on what the final print looks like than pros are... and realisticly, how many consumers actually print anything larger than 5x7 anyways... maybe the occasional 8x10 a couple times a year, thats about it...

The next step is how much do you want to spend... digital cameras cost much more than a film camera.. price goes up as the amount of megapixels goes up...

ok.. now about the lenses... I suggest you stick with a camera manufacturer if you get digital, that would be, Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Minolta, and actually, Sony makes good ones too.. the thing is that the lens is what matters.. you may have a camera that has every bell and whistle you can think of, but if the lens isnt sharp, then what good is it.. stick with the companies that have been making cameras and lenses for a long time... the big names... the cameras people will also tell you that they have these great zoom ranges... pay attention to the optical zoom range, most are around 2, 3, or 4x... a few go longer... most sales people will say, well, it doesnt have a large optical one, but the digital is great! ignore them.. Digital zoom is worthless, the quality of the images drops considerably when you use the digital zoom, as it is doing nothing more than croping the origional image.. its like haveing an enlargement made of a small portion of your picture... it always looks fuzzier and not as clear... My suggestion is to just turn off the digital zoom function... i guarantee you wont be happy with the results you get from it..

most cameras come with a small media card for storage of the images.. you will probably want to get a larger on, ie holds more images....

batteries... Digital cameras eat batteries like crazy! most of the new ones are coming with rechargable batteries designed specificaly for that camera, it is best to get three or 4 batteries, then you can have a couple good ones ready to go, and one on the charger at all times... realisticly you can prolly shoot an entire day with only one battery, but still why not make your life a little easier and have a few spares...

if you dont want to make your own prints, i suggest you go to your local photo labs and ask them about what types of media they can accept to make prints of, how much it costs, and what the minimum order is.... it may be cheaper go go with normal film for the time being.. it depends on how new the labs machines are and if they are set up to do it... also ask them how long it takes for digital, and if they do the work in house, or send out the digital things.. if they send it out, then it takes longer to get it back, and longer if there is a problem and the order has to be redone.


That said, I love digital! I have both film and digital cameras, and neither one replaces the other, for some things its more sensible to use film, for other digital is better... You will jsut have to decide what works best for you... and feel free to post in here as you hear things from the sales people, i can probably tell you what they are talking about, and if they are being truthful or not....



P.S. I forgot something... you will notice that digital cameras have little screens on the backs of them that you can use to take pictures, or to look at the pictures with... they are great... BUT.... the little screens are just that, little.. its often hard to see if the image is really sharp or not... and if you are out doors, you prolly wont be able to see the little screen anyways.. sunlight makes them hard to see.... you will want to make sure the camera has an optical viewfinder as well as the little screen, that way if you are outside, you will still be able to take pictures, instead of just pointing, and guessing if you got it or not..... Those little screens also use up a lot of battery power, so the less you use it, the longer your batteries will last....

[Edited on 18/9/2002 by gimli_axe_wielder]

[Edited on 28/9/2002 by Grondmaster]

Go for it!!! I definatly have a fetish for B/W printing... im colorblind! :P I use adobe quite a bit.. I havent dont too many manipulations in it though.. Usually I am just adjusting contrast, and croping. things like that..



um... Taz.. Just where are these 20,000 posts of yours???

oops.. for the spelling challenged here.. that would be coloUrblind....

[Edited on 27/9/2002 by gimli_axe_wielder]

[Edited on 28/9/2002 by Grondmaster]

Don't tell me you cheated, Taz! Over 20000 posts? Who's the posting freak here, eh?

Well there's always someone ahead of you, I'll have to face it.

Suppose mine is too?

Thats horrible!

I think everybody does that at some point.... But, you only do it once! still sorry to hear that! i know how you feel.


as for your printer problem.. Im not too sure... most "photo" printers have many settings for types of paper etc.... maybe your's didn't have the right setting.. though you said you did it right.... another problem is screen calibration.. your monitor needs to be caibrated to the printer. If they arent, that cant be why you are getting prints that are too dark, or the wrong colors....

Hey, Gimli!!!!!

"THAT GIRL", has just found out you stole her idea.

Blokes just can't think of their own.

I've been waiting for a reply to that post for days Gimli.

Small world isn't it? You can imagine the evil grin upon my face when I read that first post. You can't be too careful, you know. Never thought I'd come in and see it did you? We learn something new every day eh?

Hey, all the rest of you. In case you haven't noticed, I'm the girl Gimli stole the idea of the photographers guild from. I started one in TORC. It's still going, I believe.

Don't worry, Gimli, it's kind of nice and small in here. People are becoming familiar already. I won't be spreading the word.

Talking about digital. My sister keeps nagging me to get a digital point and press so that I can take shots of things I want up on my computer quick. Must admit, I am tempted.

I'd like a digital SLR but there's no way I can afford one of those at the moment. Maybe someday, they'll start coming down in price.

I might go for a point and press version to take quick shots of my paintings, cacti, etc.. that I want to bring up on my computer quick.

a good digital can be had for about $300-$350 now..

I have a digital interchangable lens SLR. It was about $1,300.00 used... but worth every penny!!!

Hi luthien! yea you are right.. the batteries of some do go out fast.... if you get a card reader for your computer... that tends to help as you dont use up the camera batteries downloading images.

you will have to show us some photos now that you have one.

oh. and I apologize for the LONG delay... ive been a bit out of it lately here..

ah you are quite welcome.

Yes.. I saw the photos. wonderful work you have there, especially the drawing and painting... amazing!
I generaly dont come up with an idea when I draw or paint.. inevitably it never comes out looking like it anyways.. I just let the viewers decide what it is :p:

4! ha, dont knock it.. I went shooting in the desert a few weeks ago, and taking three cameras, I really wished I had more than one tripod... course.. I dont know how I would have carried it, but thats beside the point.. its always good to have extras just in case!

ok.. where did all the photographers go????