Thread: BROKEN HEARTS
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Daeron, one of the greatest Elvin minstrels, whose compositions were inspired by the beauty of L’thien and his love for her. He lost her to Beren and he betrayed them to Thingol because she could not return his love. From his side this was a tragedy.
Luckily though, Melkor later more than compensated for this loss with a lovely she-troll.
So, I feel his heart was very tired and broken.
What say you?
I see Aragorn as certainly being tired and sad to leave Theoden and Eomer but I think he must have been somewhat hopeful also; hopeful that with help from the Dead there was a chance to overcome Sauron. I think he must have felt the peace that comes from knowing that you're doing what you should be doing so I guess I don't quite see broken heartedness there but I could be wrong..
But still as he watched them go off, he could not be at all sure that he would see them alive again, they were going without him and nothing was certain, life was hanging by a thread. I think it was t his possibility that broke his heart. For he had witnessed time and unforseen occurance befall the great and noble Boromir, something he had never thought could happen. After that I am sure nothing was certain to him.
Maybe this is part of why LOTR is so absorbing and why we love it. So much broken heartedness and so many enduring it so bravely.
So yes, to have a character feel the same, experience a like grief, a like situation, a like understanding of the world about them is immensely comforting and strengthens weary hands and feet, gives light to the soul again. Yes his work is timeless, immortal if you will.
But there was always, beneath that grim sobriety, an elven touch I think, that elevated their thoughts and gave them visions and thought to things better, a time coming, the nobleness of their calling. This touch would give them a melancholy, however little, like the elves who longed for the preservation of things in beauty and dignity and grieved to see it falling slowly away.
So because the Dunedain held each life as precious, those at least who were like Aragorn and not corrupted, obviously they did or they would not have fought for seemingly ungrateful Hobbits unseen, because of t his I think each death of someone that should not have had to suffer under Sauron's tyranny hurt them very much.
So I don't think he ever got desensitized as much as having to accept it for then until his HOUR. He simply controlled his grief and deep feelings except when perhaps in Rivendell where he could rest and grieve and take comfort and heal.
I have found I believe a perfect example of a truly broken heart.
When Aragorn gives his crown and his sceptor to his son and lays himself down upon his funeral bed, the conversation between h im and his beloved is very painful. I could scarce bear it.
Arwen is beside herself with grief at th eir parting , for she is human in terms of the end now and neither knows what will befall them beyond the circles of the world. She called him 'Estar, Estar' after he kissed her hand, but he had fallen into that lasting sleep and was no more with her in Middle-Earth.
It was noted by her people that her eyes no longer held the same light and were become grey like the shadows of the falling night. She SO that broken hearted that she could not find it in her heart nor mind to stay with her own son and daughters that she well loved. She made her way brokenly to Lorien, now empty and bereft of the sound of the fair folk and she wandered alone there until the spring and then she laid herself down and died, died of a broken heart.
She called him 'Estar, Estar' after he kissed her hand, but he had fallen into that lasting sleep and was no more with her in Middle-Earth.
I think if we go to the Hobbit, after the eagle has carried Thorin Oakenshield off the battlefield and after Thorin, not losing his grip on life asks to see Bilbo and blesses him, we see a tender and poignant moment of the other dwarves lovingly putting certain items with their fallen leader. I believe their grief was deep and forever, so I think they collectively had a very very broken heart-all the more so because this tragedy really never had to happen. It was so pointless and unnecessary, but the fever for riches and jewels to reclaim the renown and glory of former days was burned deep within Thorin's mind and the fire of greed simply could not be put out.
What do you think?
Bilbo was also heart broken with the death of Thorin. After Thorin parted from Bilbo in kindness and bade him 'Farewell' he died.
'Bilbo turned away, and he went by himself, and sat alone wrapped in a blanket, and, whether you believe it or not, he wept until his eyes were red and his voice was hoarse. He was a kindly little soul. Indeed it was long before he had the heart to make a joke again. "A mercy it is," he said at last to himself, "that I woke up when I did. I wish Thorin was living, but I am glad that we parted in kindness." - from 'The Return Journey" in The Hobbit.
I am not sure what it is, I have pondered it and come up with no clear answer, but when you are being serious Grondy dear, I swear you look and sound like JRR.
F’anor took the bull by the horns and went on a suicide mission to Beleriand with much aplomb.
And with much charisma to the detriment of his friends and family for ages to come. Had he not been so bull-headed and had instead requested the Valar to correct the situation, the lives of many elves would have been saved. Of course this would have meant we would have had the heart break of not reading Tolkien's three major works, which wouldn't have been necessary to write, because reading The War of the Valar may not have been that interesting.
And even the bitter tale of Erendis in Numenor, though she seemed a scornful woman, she wanted the love of her husband Aldarion but his life, his love and his lady was the sea. I felt bad at how their relationship soured ad affected their daughter, but even still Erendis just wanted Aldarion, ending her life going out to the sea she hated.
Also, Leelee I agree on the tragic passing of Arwen, her finally realizing the true fate of men and her not yet wanting to leave ME yet losing what made ME worth living, her love Elessar. It almost seemed like she regretted her choice for a fleeting instant, and that made their parting sadder still.
Pippin and Sam and Merry farewelling Frodo... after such an experience and bond, they mustve felt how I felt when I first finished the LOTR, like it was, really, over. Gone, ended. And such a parting is heartbreaking indeed.
Strange as it may seem, I really did feel for... Eol, the dark elf who had his heart crushed by his wife who no longer loved him and left him, and by his pride and joy, his son. His only close company ended up shunning him, so while he was alone before, that makes him lonely in his heart, and lonely he died cast to his death by those whom were the only ones he really ever, connected with, so to speak.
And also, the poem in the Adventures of Tom, The Last Ship, about Firiel. She views the passing of the Elves and they bid her come but she cannot, being born Earth's daughter (or human) and they pass and she returns to her home, a world grey now with no more of that tinge of enchanting green light and faint songs in the distance and small merry laughter in the far reaches of the woods, those trees in the distance fogged over, that enchanting path in the forest grown over, empty places now like Lorien became is the world without that magic, without faerie, when the tale is ended and the characters long gone, never to come again. Firiel seemed resigned to this, not heartbroken, but the event in itself seemed rather sad, full of loss, and what could be yet cant, a moment of beauty that lights up our life and fleetingly passes you by, unable to remain with you, and that glimpse of happiness and light in your grey life goes, leaving you wondering if it was real as you return to what was before. Like that song Flower girl.
Thank you so much for contributing. Really.
But I go off topic... as his heart seemed whole and mighty.
It goes like this:They passed the Door and wlked on down the steep winding road. Light was growing and the tall columns and carven figures beside the way went slowly by like grey ghosts.
Suddenly the silence was broken, and they heard below them cried and the ringing of swords, such shounds as had not been heard in the hallowed places since the building of the City. At last they came to Rath Dinen and hastened towards the House of the Stewards, looming in the twilight under its great dome.
..............For there were the servants of Denethor with swords and torches in their hands, but alone in the porch upon the topmost step stood Beregond, clad in the black and silver of the Guards, and he held the door against t hem. Two of th em had already fallen to his sword, staining the hallows with their blood; and the others cursed him, calling him outlaw and traitor to his master.
After Aragorn is made King he sentences Beregond to have to leave the city he loves because even though he saved Faramir from certain destruction he broke the rules, shedding blood in the Hallows where it was forbidden and leaving his post. However he also elevated him and honored him as it is written" Then the blood left Beregond's face and h e was stricken to the heart and bowed his head. But the Kind said:
So it must be, for you are appointed to the White Company, the Guard of Faramir, Prince of Ithilien, and you shall be its captain and dwell in Emyn Arnen in honor and peace, and in the sevice of him for whom you risked all, so save him from death.'
But still but for the madness of Denethor this noble soldier would never have had to make the terrible decision to forsake his post and fight the very men he loved and was comrades with, killing some. That had to break his heart.
And what about Bergil, Beregond's son? Will he also be separated from the City he loves, having to journey into the wilderness of Ithilien, or will he be separated from the father he loves. 'Twould be better for him to go with his father as separating boys of that age from their fathers is detrimental to their long term personality. And learning to cope in that beautiful countryside would be beneficial to a youngster. However, he is about the age to be fostered out at the castle toward becoming a squire and knight, if that is the way things in Gondor worked.
'Twenty-nine!' said the lad and whistled. 'Why, you are quite old! As old as my uncle Iorlas. Still,' he added hopefully, 'I wager I could stand you on your head or lay you on your back.'
'Maybe you could, if I let you,' said Pippin with a laugh. 'And maybe I could do the same to you: we know some wrestling tricks in my little country. Where, let me tell you, I am considered uncommonly large and strong; and I have never allowed anyone to stand me on my head. So if it came to a trial and nothing else would serve, I might have to kill you. For when you are older, you will learn that folk are not always what they seem; and though you may have taken me for a soft stranger-lad and easy prey, let me warn you: I am not, I am a halfling, hard, bold, and wicked!' Pippin pulled such a grim face that the boy stepped back a pace, but at once he returned with clenched fists and the light of battle in his eye.
(from chapter Minas Tirith, ROTK)
But seriously, I cannot imagine King Elessar would not allow the father and the son to be together! Or maybe King Elessar only sent Beregond away, and let Ms Beregond and Bergil in Minas Tirith, but that'd be even worse (or not, as always it depends on the level of croneness of Ms Beregond).
He had served I think under some Elven King long before he became a servant to Hurin. So I immediately think of a noble creature, full of life and strength and energy which was spent in overthrowing evil on behalf of his king.
After he finished fighting in whatever conflict it was, he retired to the quiet and peace of the forest as some sort of wood worker and accidently cut off his foot. Imagine the horror of that and the shame and loss of face to be instantly transformed to a man who could fight and take good care of himself, who had skill in other things beside being a warrior, and now he is crippled and struggles to do the simplest of chores.
So he now works for Hurin and comes to be cherished by the son of the house, the hope of the family, young Turin. Turin, upon receiving a beautiful knife from his father on his eighth or something like that birthday promptly gives it to Sador. Greatly honored and moved by t his gesture the servant proceeds to use the knife to build a great chair, a sort of throne if you will for Hurin, but Hurin comes back no more from war and the chair , the work of his hands and still great mind is hacked up and used for firewood to keep the family warm.
And then he is killed at some point by those from the east.
Honestly I think he lived day and night with a broken heart and reduced spirit.
But what about the Lady Galadriel? I don't think there can be anything more heartbreaking than finding out your child has been abducted and taken hostage and harmed in every way conceivably, both in body and mind. The anguish of waiting for the return, the pain upon seeing the one you love tortured in mind and diminished in joy. And then having to say good bye for a lengthy period of time. I cannot think that she was without a broken heart over this terrible crime against her own daughter.
I am starting to think Celeborn had a broken heart from being forever unnoticed due to the looming shadow of his illustrious spouse.
After all, one must not forgot that the crone did leave Middle-earth without him.
.....lived in sorrow; and he went often to the gardens of L’rien, and sitting beneath the silver willows beside the body of his wife he called her by her names. But it was unavailing; and alone in all the Blessed Realm he was deprived of joy." - from 'Of F’anor' in The Silmarillion.
Unlike Finw’, Elrond could not remarry even had he wished to do so, for Celebr’an in her great affliction, had not died, but had only taken herself off to Valinor; she yet lived. Elrond still loving her, was sorrowful because could not follow her, his having the duty of maintaining Imladris with his Elven Ring of Power. This, as well of foreseeing the loss of his daughter, may have been why Peter Jackson made him so bitter in his movies.
After F’anor was grown and still being young in Elven terms and wanting more children, Finw’ finally remarried, to Miriel, whom he greatly loved and he was glad again.
Indis, not M’riel. M’riel never returned from Mandos.
This, as well of foreseeing the loss of his daughter, may have been why Peter Jackson made him so bitter in his movies.
There is no reason for the change, since this was not Elrond's character in the books. Tis just another absurd departure from the book, the whole soap opera "daddy doesn't want to lose sweet lil daughter" shtick.
I had the impression, though, that Elrond was so bitter because the 'weak' race of Men had failed to destroy the Ring 3,000 years before. Though, of course, this is absurd too since the pathetic weakling Isild’r was a descendant of his own brother who had chosen mortality, not to mention his own father only chose to be counted amongst Elfies because of the caprices of his spouse.
Indis, not M’riel. M’riel never returned from Mandos.
Why on Middle-Earth would you refer to the lady Galadriel as a crone?
What could she possibly, in your learned opinion, have done to merit such a derogatory and cruel title?
I am all attention..............................
Poor Celeborn, whom she herself had called the "wisest" of Middle-earth, was left all alone pining away amongst the pine trees of his newly found Woodland Realm in Mirkwood.
Then again, this is what one gets for stealing one of the daughters of the Noldor. Just look at what happened to E’l, or Maeglin. Seems they're all black widows, set upon ruining their lovers, shatter their kind hearts and bring about total obliteration!
This is not a heart-break true and full, but it is felt, and often overlooked. Eowyn is, so she thinks, heart-broken (as much as she can be at the time, frozen as she still is), when Aragorn rejects her. But she is young and so this heartbreak from being 'in love with an idea' fills up her whole experience. Aragorn, on the other hand, is more than twice her age and knows a thing or two about falling in love with people who are older than you at first sight, and being (at first) scorned by them. He is hurt when he has to reject her -- now we all know that she is not his match, and of course as long as Arwen is around she hasn't got the chance to get dolled up by a doting (scheming? loving? full of foresight?) grandmother-of-future-spouse and steal Aragorn's heart after she has grown up a bit, (as Aragorn did to Arwen). I think Aragorn felt Eowyn's pain, and, along with that, had all the pain of knowing he was the immediate (if not the ultimate nor the whole) cause of it. Even though you could say this was a small grief compared to the capacity of his heart, and the length of his life, and though it was different than Eowyn's, I do not think it was less (in absolute value, if grief can be thus measured) than Eowyn's.
Unrequited love always gets the spotlight. Why does no one make a lament for the tender-hearted one who, while still caring for and admiring the lover, must nevertheless reject the type of love they offer?
How very true and astute of you. Pain is pain is pain. One can never say to another, my pain is worse or your pain is worse. At that moment whatever the grief it is all consuming. It is only much much later when some scar tissue has grown and one can see through eyes of wisdom that one can say' oh well that pain was small compared to that other I have endured.'
I felt from the first moment of reading the account that Aragorn, a man very very sensitive, a man who grew up in the wisdom and great sensitivity of Imladiris, someone who was well aquainted with sorrow and grief, felt most keenly the anguish and confusion of Eowyn. I think when he got upon his steed and rode off he felt ill and took upon himself as healer some of her deep deep grief and pain and was much distressed and saddened over it. I doubt that until he actually knew of her new love of Faramir that he had total peace and could then focus on his love for his future bride. I truly believe that.
Oh Vir, that imagery of a dwarf under her skirt, you sound all the world like a Northern Brit. The wit, sarcasm. Say you didn't do a stint there a while back on Coronation Street did you?
You are TOO dear.
Now before the entire population of Middle-Earth falls down laughing at Leelee, I will take a breath and blurt out that I think Treebeard's heart was wounded on a couple of levels.
First , the loss of the Entwives. They had their disagreements, but the memory of them and not being able to find out even a whisper of their ultimate doom seems to hurt him a great deal.
And then, knowing that because there had not been any entings in a powerful long time, soon the Shepherds of the forest must die out and become no more. Is that not a reason for pain of heart, of brokeness on some level?
I was thinking last night of Boromir, surely here is one that must have experienced something of a broken heart from time to time? He loved both his father and brother, yet he saw how his brother was treated, t hat must have caused him pain. And even though he was proud and probably a little self willed, still he went out of obedience on that dreadful long and lonely journey to Imladris, losing his steed along the way, and after falling briefly to the cunning of the Ring, surely as he sat under the tree , his body riddled with orc arrows, Boromir must have been broken hearted. I don't believe that the dying would have bothered him had he been fighting for his people with his men and had fallen in glory. But to have momentarily succumbed to evil thus losing some of his integrity and never h aving found Frodo to work things out with , that must have hurt. And also knowing that he would never see his father and brother, nor his people nor his beloved white city again must have hurt him very very much.
I have been reading the new book the Children of Hurin and from the beginning I felt such pain.
Of course I want to explore Turin and all the sorrows. But first I would like to go through all the others whose lives he touched and their unique grief and broken heartedness because of either love for him or because he came into their lives or they into his.
The book is all I have hoped for, I am more than half way through. And the pencil artwork of Lee, who I am thrilled they got again, is absolutely powerful and fabulous.
And also knowing that he would never see his father and brother, nor his people nor his beloved white city again must have hurt him very very much.
But he would see them again, somewhere far beyond.
Anyway, has anyone mentioned both Finduilases yet? T’rin's Finduilas's love for the man in black went unrequited, whilst Denethor's Finduilas pined away in the city of Minas Tirith, horrified by the looming visage of the Eye in the East... like a delicate orchid whilting on a cold, windy rock.
And as one of the ’orlingas, have I already mentioned Th’odwyn after the death of ’omund, and Th’oden after the death of his dear sister?
About the last , yes that is something I ponder a lot and that is just too much grief when all you have is a few people dear to you, part of your heart.
Finduilas holding her arms out to Turin is too terrible to think about. For some of them, just nothing good ever happened. To think of anyone being taken to become thralls is terrible, but women and children? My mind can scarce bear to even contemplate it. But the way she died. That particular crop of Orcs were something else it seems.
And I was quite astonished and intrigued with the character of Theodred. Because, as I have said several times here, I viewed the movies quite a bit before I read Lord of the Rings and the rest, I always assumed, thanks to Peter, that Theodred was younger than Eomer and had not done much for the people.
But in the appendices it says that he was in fact thirteen years older than Eomer, that he was very very brave and noble and good hearted. That he was intensely loyal to his u ncle the King Theoden and that he did all he could to save his people from the terrible onslaught of the enemy through Sauron. In fact when he fell and was dying he asked that his body be left where he lay to 'stand guard' as it were there until Eomer should come through.
I cannot imagine the grief and broken heartedness of Eomer and his sister at finding out that this giant of a man in heart and deeds had fallen to such evil and in such a hard way.
so I think they are good candidates for broken hearts in this situation.
But in the appendices it says that he was in fact thirteen years older than Eomer, that he was very very brave and noble and good hearted. That he was intensely loyal to his u ncle the King Theoden and that he did all he could to save his people from the terrible onslaught of the enemy through Sauron.
I cannot imagine the grief and broken heartedness of Eomer and his sister at finding out that this giant of a man in heart and deeds had fallen to such evil and in such a hard way.
Not at all, for a warrior there is no greater glory than to fall in battle for the fatherland.
This is also what ’owyn wished for herself, until her mind was poisoned and her heart changed by the cunning words of a sycophant in the Houses of Healing.