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lol...THAT would be yucky... We'd be seeing Leggy and Arwen acting like lovers. All the Aragorn fans and Legogirls are gonna go crazy!!!
None of the lord of the rings cast could appear in it. People would get confused. Elf Confused Smilie
Well, of course they'd get confused. Confused and mad, if I'm gonna be anything to go by!
What about Ben Affleck and Kate Beckinsale as Beren and L’thien ? After all, they already acted brilliantly in Pearl Harbot... or not.

I think did Brad Pitt should be Beren because he did brilliantly in Troy and Luthien should be a young new actress with long dark hair.
Forgive me for blowing up.......but EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brad Pitt? Beren? Nooooooooooooooooooo......
OK, now that I'm finished, sorry, Gibbun, for my outburst, but I just can't see big handsome Brad as deep in love Beren.
I've noticed no-one has posted in this thread for a while. My reasoning is to ask what people would think about a kind of television adaptation of the Silmarillion. I believe that due to the historical telling of the 1st Age and the silmarills and the general make up of short stories, a movie would be almost, if not completely, impossible. There would be no main character or even ensemble of characters to hold movie-goer's attention. Not to mention the many other incompatabilities the inherent nature of the Silmarillion has with being adapted for the silver screen.
I do believe, though that it could lend itself very much to either an extended mini-series, or a continual series of epsiodes covering a few chapters at a time, where necessary, or with single longer chapters covering more events. I am about to embark upon a comprehensive writing course, and it covers writing/adapting material for radio, stage and television. I've been thinking about the idea for about a year now fully understanding the immense and extremely difficult task it would be for anyone who undertook it.
It would require the very same level of attention and detail as Peter Jackson's magnificent adaptation of LOTR, and indeed I cannot envisage any other production company being responsible for actually getting it made. That said, it wouldn't necessarily require Peter Jackson to adapt the story(ies) for the screen.
Initial problems to consider of course, are that in many parts a considerable amount of dialogue and conversation would have to be written/added/interpreted to make it suitable and viewable. I consider this a potential problem due to hardcore fans (of which I consider myself too). Whoever may write a screenplay would more or less do so from their perspective (as did Peter Jackson et al in writing the LOTR screenplay). This means that many hardcore fans might not accept the adaptation as good enough. My view on this is that if it is to be adapted for the screen this is unavoidable, as was with the LOTR movies.
I do believe, however that it is a price well worth paying to bring the myths and legends of Tolkien's First Age to life. Accessible to many who will never read the book, and to encourage others to read the book with a new passion and to enter into Tokien's own imagination as it appears on the written page.
This is all just a hardcore fan with a pure love for the silmarillion and a desire to not only see it imagined in the flesh, but also to bring it into the lives of those who would never otherwise experience the sheer brilliance of the Silmarillion.
What do people think?
Actually we may have to wait another 70 years before the Silmarillion is made. Christopher Tolkien is adamant that he will not release the Silmarillions rights to anyone. I find rather odd considering what Tolkien's piece of the profits were for The Lord of the Rings. Some in the neighborhood of 100,000,000 US Dollars. The next movie is going to be The Hobbit. Peter Jackson on his website said that the movie is at least four years in the future. Though knowing PJ he has plans to aquire the rights to the Silmarillion. Its going to take an enormous amount of money to aquire and produce since there is at least three times the material.

In my opinion Christopher Tolkien is a greedy little snot. He tried to put the fan sites in the US out of business. To which the ever present US courts said to him no he can't do that. Freedom of speech and that kind of thing. I personally think he is making a mistake, but I'm just a crazy yank. What do I know?
In my opinion Christopher Tolkien is a greedy little snot.

I agree. He should have shared all the profits of the LOTR movie adaptation with me and the other Council Members of this site.

But he didn't. Shame on him!
Please remember Christopher Tolkien's government probably took 90% if his movie earnings, making it very hard to make ends meet on the remainder. Elf Winking Smilie Besides, there is so little dialogue in the Sil, that it would require a very good screenwriter to fill in any of those gaps in the less than seven stories worth filming. I doubt if he would ever give in, unless of course, they were to offer that job to him.
Actually in the Silmarillion proper there is a good deal of dialog. Christopher Tolkien and the Estate is still being payed from the royalties from the DVD's etc. None of that family is going to ever have to work again. It will probably if it is ever made will be written by the same writing team that wrote LOTR. I dont see it being multiple movies but a movie at least 3+ hours in length is not out of the question.

Actually if they ever do the movie I have a candidate for the part of the younger Galadriel. Tricia Helfer who plays Number 6 on the Sci Fi channels remake of Battlestar Galactica. Still Trying to figure out how you hide a 6'5" tall platinum blonde in a red dress! Big Smile Smilie
The Sil is just way too much for one movie - even if it is a very long one - there'd have to be a heck of a lot of narration, which imho won't work out too well. As someone said before: an extended mini-series or a succession of movies would be better...
I wish Christopher Tolkien would agree to do the movie adaptation or at least supervise whoever does it - they'd have to add in a lot of dialogue and I think no one could do that better than CT because he knows and respects the stories more than any one.

I'd love to see the story of Beren and Luthien! Choosing the right actors would be a very tough task; and though she wouldn't be my first choice for any other reason maybe Liv should just play Luthien - seeing as how Arwen's supposed to look a lot like her. Natalie Portman might work, though a lesser known actress would be better (it's almost impossible not to associate actors with previous roles - unless they're really good!). I wouldn't even know who to start with for Beren...hmmm.
Actually I was thinking of Kate Bekinsale to play Luthien or better yet Melian. There would be more than one movie.Though the beginning parts of the Silmarillion would be more of the Prologue. Then run throught the Silmarillion proper and end in the Second Age with the creation of the Rings of Power, the Downfall of Numenor and the War of the Last Alliance. How about Gabriel Byrne as Sauron?
That's funny, I posted the following on 12 August 2005 :

What about Ben Affleck and Kate Beckinsale as Beren and L’thien ? After all, they already acted brilliantly in Pearl Harbor.. or not.

Now I think L’thien should be played by Angelina Jolie; L’thien was the fairest of all Children of Il’vatar, hence it is only normal for her to be portrayed by a woman who was apparently voted as the sexiest/most attractive on earth... and then it would only be logical for Beren to be played by Brad Pitt..
Angelina Jolie, hmm hadn't thought of her. Though I thought Alexander was rather strange with Jolie playing Alexander's mother. Actually Angelina might be better cast as Aredhel Ar-Feiniel, the White Lady of the Noldor, sister of Fingon and Turgon.
No, I wouldn't cast Angelina Jolie in either of those parts; she still looks too much like Lara Croft to me. Cool Elf Smilie
She should perhaps play Haleth, then.
I think the best thing to do regarding a Silmarillion movie is for there to be a few separate movies that aren't sequals to each other. For example. The first could be about the Valar and the creation of ea. The second, about the Noldor (Mainly focussed on Feanor and the silmarills), maybe one about Turin, and so on.
I cannot see how a single movie of The Sil can be made, it seems hopeless.
As for the casting, I would rather have complete unknowns that were absolute Tolkien fanatics and knew the books off by heart rather than well known performers. Boring.
I realize that the choices made for LOTR's was great but still I would like to see skilled performers that noone really knew. I think that would bring a beauty and freshness and excitement that would not otherwise be there.
I will do it! I will make a movie of The Silmarillion, even though... I do not have the resources.
Okay then, I will finance 934 mitril pieces worth of the project.
I'll fork over 17,000 Mithril if you promise not to add or delete a single jot or tittle. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
ok. anybody else wants to make a donation?
I'll fork over 17,000 Mithril if you promise not to add or delete a single jot or tittle.


*grabs mithril kindly donated by easily gullible PTers and boards plane to Rio de Janeiro*
Ah, good, now that the conman/thief is gone, I'll give 1700 mithril to it.
No, seriously, if I can ever get the resources, I would definitely make a film from at least one of the tales in the Silmarillion. As well as several other films, like the Prydain Chronicles, all that they would need would be a faithful and loving touch, and they'd be top movie of the year.
*grabs mithril kindly donated by easily gullible PTers and boards plane to Rio de Janeiro*

*thorin having heard of Vir's treachery, swings his axe in the air, shouts 'death to virumor', and boards the next plane to Rio de Janeiro*
Axes on a plane? Try snakes instead, belligerent friend.
You should ask the air hostesses if they had any chance for applying law with an angry dwarf brandishing his axe and threatening to cut the head of anyone who moved. The air marshall got so frightened that he went to hide in the toilets. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
You know how to do it? Throw your axe with all your might, board the plane, shoot off to Rio, land in time to catch it, and hope it's the handle you get and not the blade. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
Interesting idea! i might try it. Dunce Smilie
Go for it! Orc With Thumbs Up Smilie But, well, I wish you luck, you'd need it! Elk Grinning Smilie
I think only Thor has any chance of accomplishing that feat, but as it isn't part of The Silmarillion I guess it won't be in any movie with that name.
Hello, Just registered really to tell everyone that I've written screenplays for three film adaptations of the Silmarillion.

I began adapting The Silmarillion after seeing the LOTR trilogy. Those films didn't just blow my mind. They were rich and detailed and brought the books to life in away that many readers imagined them. Jackson saw the dark nature of the book. The Silmarillion of course is much darker.

In thinking about how to adapt the Silmarillion, I thought about what was central to the book. Therefore, I have left out the Creation, the Downfall and the History of the RIngs and concentrated solely on the Quenta Silmarillion. What interestests me about this is the tragic history of the Elves and in particular, the history of one family. All else is secondary to that. It must be so that as viewers we can relate to the films' central characters.

My three proposed films are as follows: Pt1: The Return of the Noldor, Pt2: The Quest of the Silmarils and Pt3: The War of Wrath.

Part 1 begins with a prologue much like the LOTR trilogy did. In this, Feanor and his family are introduced and the Silmarils are made. The prologue ends with Feanor swearing his oath to retrieve the Silmarils from Morgoth. The rest of the film shows the Flight of the Noldor, right through to the Battle of Sudden Flame and the fight between Fingolfin and Morgoth.

Part 2 is the story of Beren and Luthien. Not only is this a much loved story from the book but it is integral to the trilogy as a whole. It links Parts 1 and 3.

Part 3 begins with the Nirnaeth Arnoediad, a long battle sequence which would make the Battle of the Pelennor Fileds look like a pillow fight between two old women. The aftermath of the battle shows Beleriand broken and the Sons of Feanor separated. We then move onto the Ruin of Doriath, intercut with the journey of Tuor. This leads to the Fall of Gondolin and then the massacre of the Elves of Sirion. We then see the Voyage of Earendil and the War of Wrath.

Throughout all the films I have tried to show the actions of the Elves and the Sons of Feanor in particular as being those of a superior race of beings, whose pride and desire leads to their own corruption and downfall. The Silmarillion is about misplaced pride and blind loyalty. It is also an action-packed adventure story.

As far as a film version of the book ever being made, I believe this will never happen, successfully at least. My screenplays therefore are fan-fiction in the truest sense.

Not sure if this thread is still going or if anyone's interested but I'll be glad to answer any questions and read your cries of outrage.
Hi Peej aka Pajama, Pjay, PJ. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie Welcome to Planet-Tolkien. Happy Elf Smilie

Your method of splitting the Sil into three parts is interesting; though I still think it will be hard to hold each of those films under three or four hours. Still, I wish there was someone with money enough to try it.
Note this recent statement regarding the new Children of H’rin, for example...

'The rights in The Children of H’rin are owned by the Tolkien family via the Tolkien Estate, and the book rights have been sold in a worldwide deal to the Tolkien publishers HarperCollinsUK. There are no plans for the foreseeable future to license any other rights in the work (whether film or otherwise).' The Tolkien Estate
Yeah, this could be fun! Did anyone else hear the rumour that PJ and Co. are actually going to do it in the year 2006 or something?

Ummm yeah.... 2006 has come and gone and I doubt they are still any closer or ever come closer than just rumours floating around.
I think one of the most difficult problems in filming The Silmarillion is that there are so many characters! How can we tell all about their tales?
That's exactly it, there's no way you'd be able to. Not even in two or three parts. Some of the stories could be an entire movie of themselves -- for example there was another thread recently where someone pointed out that the Akallab’th would make a cool movie (which I agree with!!!). But that's exactly it, that one story alone is long enough (and complex enough) that you could easily fill 3-4 hours, and STILL leave some parts out.

Plus like you said, all those characters. Everyone in the Silmarillion has a story, or is involved in some important subplot, or whatever. And there's always little snippets of background history or whatever that Tolkien mentions, and those past events very often explain why people said or did something later on.

Personally, I think trying to make a movie out of it simply wouldn't do it justice. Unless the movie was like 20+ hours. I suppose, they could do it as a mini-series, but even then that would be one LONNNGGGGGGGGG mini-series. (Not to mention confusing as heck for anyone who never read the book!)
I say in the Sillmarillion that it will be a movie but for each one ther is white writing on a black backround with the name of the Tale e.g Of Earendil and the War of Wrath but Italic Algerian Capitals as the font and that theyshould be a series and each is about for hours long(like in groups like first one is about the creation of stuff and then its the coming of the elves and Valinor, then the flight of the Noldor and the sieg of Angband, then its Dgor Braggolach Beren and Luthien, then its Ninaeth Anorhead and Turin Turumbar then Tour and the Fall of Gondolin, The Ruin of Doriath and then the war of wrath. Then the next one is Akkalabeth and the Rings of Power but maybe delete the the creation bit and Valinor and start as the coming of the Elves and ending with the The Rings of power.Cate Blachelette will be Galadriel and may as well that Liv Tyler is Luthien Viggo is Beren ect. Smile Smilie Smile Smilie Smile Smilie Smile Smilie Smile Smilie Smile Smilie Smile Smilie Wink Smilie Wink Smilie Wink Smilie Big Smile Smilie Big Smile Smilie Cool Smilie Cool Smilie Cool Smilie Cool Smilie Cool Smilie
First of all, they can't make a "Silmarilion" movie, it spans too much time with too many short stories that need to be explained. It would need to be more than a trilogy. However, Christian Bale needs to be Beren or Turin. Luthien needs to be Keira Knightley. Clive Owen would make a good Hurin.
Silmarillion cannot be made into a movie as the whole book but one of the stories can. Like Turin's story is an ideal script for a movie. Or so is Beren and Luthien's for a romanntic-adventure genre. Anyhow, Keira Knightly and Clive Owen are not, I repeat, NOT good choices to be cast. Blasphemy, I say!
Hey Berenian, I was just saying the same exact thing over in the other thread (about the book itself) -- "too much span of time with too many short stories". Personally I love the Silm, and I'd love it even more if the stories were longer. Smile Smilie

And Aragorn, what you said about "one story per movie", yeah that's pretty much what I was saying earlier (like 3-4 posts back in this thread). I just happened to use Akallabeth, but I agree 100% that T’rin would be a great movie, as would Beren & Luthien. Possibly the story of Tuor & Gondolin too.

Right now, I guess T’rin would be the most logical choice because of the book that just came out. But honestly, people hate sad endings in movies, so I don't know if that would be such a good choice after all. At least with Beren & Luthien they could end the movie with them coming back to life and settling on Tol Galen, as if to say "And they lived happily ever after". And with Tuor & Gondolin they could begin the story with Ulmo appearing at Vinyamar (ha ha ha, start it out with the gods, just like "Clash of the Titans"), and cover the journey to Gondolin, coming to the gates, etc, all the good stuff that was missing from the Silm, and then the battle & the sack of the city, the escape, and finish with the survivors coming to the sea. So at least that one would have a happy ending too. (The movie patrons don't need to know about the sons of F’anor invading a few years later.)

Anyway.... Yes I definitely think some of the Silm stories could make excellent movies. Do you think we'll ever get our wish?
If a trilogy would be insufficient they could do a series of films like with Harry Potter and Starwars. Perhaps 5 or 6. And 2 of them could be devoted exclusively To The Children of Hurin and Beren and Luthien.
they could do a series of films like with Harry Potter and Starwars.

Harry Potter duelling with Darth Vader is so uncool. Wand vs Lightsabers... The Force wins!
Not if Harry Potter said 'Wingardium leviosa' and made the lightsaber float around the cealing. Big Laugh Smilie
I find your lack of faith in the Force disturbing...
What lack of faith??? Well' back to subject. The Silwill make a good TV seris, maybe on Friday or Saturday at 7:30-9:00. It will be great( provided that ther's no ads).Also people will get more intoTolkien( the bookshop will have more Tolkien books because of more demand Smile Smilie) and that they will be something worthwile to watch in Friday( for in Australia there's nothing interesting to watch on that day). And if it's really good you can get it on DVD.Big Smile Smilie
I usually watch the Si-Fi channel on Friday nights, except when my second PBS station shows something on Mystery that I haven't seen before.

So yes, a long running Friday night Soap Opera entitled, Silmarillion would be worth watching.
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Yes, I think it will be worth watching too. I hope they don't do those cheap special effects becaue they make it LAME. but what channel should they put it on?????Elf Confused Smilie Smile Smilie Jumping Flame Smilie
It would certainly brighten up America's dismal viewing. But the problem with a TV series it would not be played in all the countries around the same time. Indeed alot of countries wouldn't have it at all. If it was a film series though that could be made more universal (like Starwars and HP). Its just like British comedy series such as Porridge, Open all hours, Only fools and horses etc they are the best comedies in the world but I doubt people from US or even Australia (though they did watch Coronation street a few years back and still love Heartbeat which we have) have either heard of them or watched them. Therefore I doubt a Silmarillion TV series would work.
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