Thread: Silmarillion, The Movie
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I think I should play Luthien.
Hey Spiderlady, so you're back with both names now and can play "good cop/bad cop" as well as Luthien. Except how would Shelob's mommy play Luthien, like a fisherwomen plays a tarpon or pike, or like a cat plays a mouse? 
Hi Grondy dahlink!
Sorry for the long absence, I've gone into acting now so we movie spiders have very little time...been busy preparing for my future role as Luthien.
I wouldn't even think of torturing the real Luthien (such a sweet girl) - I've turned over a new leaf
, and besides, we're best friends now ever since I bit an arm off a stray Easterling and presented it to her man Beren. Luthien looked a bit green and squeamish, and Beren never used it (come to think of it), but he patted my rump with his one good arm and said, 'It's the thought that counts, dear.'
Sorry for the long absence, I've gone into acting now so we movie spiders have very little time...been busy preparing for my future role as Luthien.
I wouldn't even think of torturing the real Luthien (such a sweet girl) - I've turned over a new leaf
, and besides, we're best friends now ever since I bit an arm off a stray Easterling and presented it to her man Beren. Luthien looked a bit green and squeamish, and Beren never used it (come to think of it), but he patted my rump with his one good arm and said, 'It's the thought that counts, dear.'
Welcome back Ungoliant! We missed you! 
Hello Ungoliant, so nice to have you back!!!
I saw from times to times that you are online and I wondered why you are not making any posts...
Alan Rickman for everybody! He is GREAT!!!!
As for Turin, the unfortunate accident with Beleg was NOT murder! The same with Gwindor - according to the UT version, he was even unaware that Finduilas turned to love him more than Gwindor.
There is an eternal question, what does it mean, to be a winner/ a loser. For me (a biologist) to "win" is to "survive" (or let survive your genes present in your kin) as long as possible. It is not necessary to succeed in everything. Of course, killing of Glaurung does not redeem any misfortunes and defeats of Turin, but, anyway, it gave him everlasting renown.
I think that his heart was big enough, his main sin was inability to communicate and cooperate harmoniously with others.
Anyway, I like him, and I simply adore his father!!!
I saw from times to times that you are online and I wondered why you are not making any posts...
Alan Rickman for everybody! He is GREAT!!!!
As for Turin, the unfortunate accident with Beleg was NOT murder! The same with Gwindor - according to the UT version, he was even unaware that Finduilas turned to love him more than Gwindor.
There is an eternal question, what does it mean, to be a winner/ a loser. For me (a biologist) to "win" is to "survive" (or let survive your genes present in your kin) as long as possible. It is not necessary to succeed in everything. Of course, killing of Glaurung does not redeem any misfortunes and defeats of Turin, but, anyway, it gave him everlasting renown.
I think that his heart was big enough, his main sin was inability to communicate and cooperate harmoniously with others.
Anyway, I like him, and I simply adore his father!!!
Turin was a hapless moron, no two ways about it. Alan Rickman, great idea, very good. And I don't think that kid's that old yet, about 14/15 I think, maybe a young Turin, cos he's got a face you want to slap forever.
And for those of you who've missed Ungoliant, you should have noticed that she's also known as Dangermouse around here as well.
And for those of you who've missed Ungoliant, you should have noticed that she's also known as Dangermouse around here as well.
Yup. I'm glad to be back as my old self though. My pc acts up all the time, seems to work now but I still can't vote when I'm logged on - no boxes for me to tick. 
But I think I'll keep the mouse for when I'm feeling b*tchy.
Oh, he's only 14 is he? Ah well...
But I think I'll keep the mouse for when I'm feeling b*tchy.Oh, he's only 14 is he? Ah well...
You have to vote before you log on, else you don't get a second chance. So Taz once told someone, I think.
Aren't we all hapless morons Plastic????
Perhaps you're right Eryan, but not all of us to that extent, I mean, with his Sister!!!! YUK!!!
For me, it was never really shocking, I was much more sad because of death of Beleg, Finduilas, his aunt Aerin...
Ewwwww! The brother-sister bit was the last straw for me. It wasn't shocking, but disgusting.
Although the ancient Egyptian pharoahs didn't think it was wrong - some of them even married their own daughters. And if you believe in Adam & Eve etc, we're all products of incest. Hmm..
Although the ancient Egyptian pharoahs didn't think it was wrong - some of them even married their own daughters. And if you believe in Adam & Eve etc, we're all products of incest. Hmm..
But it was not done consciently! Ho2w could he know she is his sister? He never saw her before in his whole life!
Ungoliant = Dangermouse? ohhh....now it makes sense... 
This double identity thing really freaks me out
How did you know Plastic?
This double identity thing really freaks me out
How did you know Plastic?
I know everything, I thought you'd have realised that by now 
In the old Ungoliant profile, "dangermouse" was her email nickname. Of course that info didn't get updated when she finally overcame the system and got reregistered.
Yep, Plastic & Grondy knew it was me even before I wrote a single post! But I think it's because they're used to getting e-mails from me under that particular nick. But I also mentioned it somewhere on this board though - under one of Yummy's threads. Can't blame me for playing tricks then.
Yeah I know it wasn't a conscious act. But his life was full of one screw-up after another, that I didn't have an ounce of pity left for him when he got up to that bit. The bit about his sister just killed off any remaining interest I had in his tale, and left me thinking what a complete an utter loser he was. As a tragedy, I don't think Tolkien quite pulled it off.
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But it was not done consciently! Ho2w could he know she is his sister? He never saw her before in his whole life!
But it was not done consciently! Ho2w could he know she is his sister? He never saw her before in his whole life!
Yeah I know it wasn't a conscious act. But his life was full of one screw-up after another, that I didn't have an ounce of pity left for him when he got up to that bit. The bit about his sister just killed off any remaining interest I had in his tale, and left me thinking what a complete an utter loser he was. As a tragedy, I don't think Tolkien quite pulled it off.
Ungoliant/Dangermouse,
but you wrote
Perhaps if you actually bothered to read the UT version you would like him?
Anyway, I bet that if you could really met him you'd like him. Many humans and Elves were very fond of Turin (although some payed dearly for that weakness!).
And he was told to be very, very handsome!...
[Edited on 10/6/2002 by Eryan]
but you wrote
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The Silm Turin turned me off so much that I never bothered to read the UT version.
The Silm Turin turned me off so much that I never bothered to read the UT version.
Perhaps if you actually bothered to read the UT version you would like him?
Anyway, I bet that if you could really met him you'd like him. Many humans and Elves were very fond of Turin (although some payed dearly for that weakness!).
And he was told to be very, very handsome!...
[Edited on 10/6/2002 by Eryan]
Was Turin handsome even by elvish standards? That is quite an achievement.
Yes, Allyssa, he was!
AS you can see, he was called Adanedhel - "Man-Elf" - very similarly as Elladan!
Another description of young Turin:
And Finduilas tells Turin:
His mother, Morwen Eledhwen, also was beautiful even according to Elvish standards - she was told to be the most beautiful of all mortal women.His little sister Lalaith was also beautiful like an Elf cild. Only his sister Nienor seems to have been just handsome, and somewhat "boyish"...
Turin was handsome and unhappy - a mixture very appealing for some women!
I think that if I could have a hearty talk with a single character from Tolkien's world, I'd prefer Turin. Faramir is my favourite, but he is so perfect... I think I would feel so foolish and imperfect, a real "hapless moron" to use the expression of Plastic! And with Turin I could feel like with my twin brother!
[Edited on 10/6/2002 by Eryan]
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In the time that followed Turin grew high in favour with Orodreth, and well-nigh all hearts were turned to him in Nargothrond. For he was young, and only now reached his full manhood; and he was in truth the son of Morwen Eledhwen to look upon: dark-haired and pale-skinned, with grey eyes, and his face more beautiful than any other among mortal Men, in the Elder Days. His speech and bearing were that of the ancient kingdom of Doriath, and even among the Elves he might be taken for one from the great houses of the Noldor; therefore many called him Adanedhel, the Elf-Man."
In the time that followed Turin grew high in favour with Orodreth, and well-nigh all hearts were turned to him in Nargothrond. For he was young, and only now reached his full manhood; and he was in truth the son of Morwen Eledhwen to look upon: dark-haired and pale-skinned, with grey eyes, and his face more beautiful than any other among mortal Men, in the Elder Days. His speech and bearing were that of the ancient kingdom of Doriath, and even among the Elves he might be taken for one from the great houses of the Noldor; therefore many called him Adanedhel, the Elf-Man."
AS you can see, he was called Adanedhel - "Man-Elf" - very similarly as Elladan!
Another description of young Turin:
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Thingol looked on Turin in wonder, seeing suddenly before him, in the place of his fosterling a Man and a stranger, tall, dark haired, looking at him with deep eyes in a white face
Thingol looked on Turin in wonder, seeing suddenly before him, in the place of his fosterling a Man and a stranger, tall, dark haired, looking at him with deep eyes in a white face
And Finduilas tells Turin:
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"You are kingly, even as the lords of the people of Fingolfin"
"You are kingly, even as the lords of the people of Fingolfin"
His mother, Morwen Eledhwen, also was beautiful even according to Elvish standards - she was told to be the most beautiful of all mortal women.His little sister Lalaith was also beautiful like an Elf cild. Only his sister Nienor seems to have been just handsome, and somewhat "boyish"...
Turin was handsome and unhappy - a mixture very appealing for some women!
I think that if I could have a hearty talk with a single character from Tolkien's world, I'd prefer Turin. Faramir is my favourite, but he is so perfect... I think I would feel so foolish and imperfect, a real "hapless moron" to use the expression of Plastic! And with Turin I could feel like with my twin brother!
[Edited on 10/6/2002 by Eryan]
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Perhaps if you actually bothered to read the UT version you would like him?
Perhaps if you actually bothered to read the UT version you would like him?
Do you think he fared better in the UT then? If so, I'll try to find a copy. Out of interest, how many versions of the story are out there (in print)? I know there's one in Silm.
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And with Turin I could feel like with my twin brother!
And with Turin I could feel like with my twin brother!
I'm not touching that one....
Well, he did have a bit of a thing for family orientated sports didn't he?
I personally have 4 different versions of the story, and he's an a**ehole in all of them.
I personally have 4 different versions of the story, and he's an a**ehole in all of them.
Well, I know just two versions of the story, the Silm one and the UT one, and I like him much better in the UT version - in particular his friendliness towards "odd" types like Sador Labadal and Mim...
And Nienor his sister has a sort of personality only in the UT version. She is quite a nice girl there, tall and heroic, an Eowyn, and not the weepy wee thing from the Silm!
The UT version is incomplete alas!
I like the most the last part and the drama of the triangle Brandir - Turin - Niniel.
I'm really curious what are the remaining two versions???
As for feeling sometimes as a twin sister of Turin, I mean simply that (as everybody I suppose...) I made a complete mess of many important "battles" of my life. And, like him, I used to "to turn a new page" and to go on.
[Edited on 12/6/2002 by Eryan]
And Nienor his sister has a sort of personality only in the UT version. She is quite a nice girl there, tall and heroic, an Eowyn, and not the weepy wee thing from the Silm!
The UT version is incomplete alas!
I like the most the last part and the drama of the triangle Brandir - Turin - Niniel.
I'm really curious what are the remaining two versions???
As for feeling sometimes as a twin sister of Turin, I mean simply that (as everybody I suppose...) I made a complete mess of many important "battles" of my life. And, like him, I used to "to turn a new page" and to go on.
[Edited on 12/6/2002 by Eryan]
Book of Lost Tales part 2 has the first version of the tale of Turin Turambar, and the Lays of Beleriand has the lay of the children of Hurin (also incomplete) which is epic poetry.
Oh goody, I've got Lost Tales 2. Must check it again then...I always skipped the stories about humans. Just didn't find them interesting enough I guess. Elves, hounds, Maias and spiders, I like.
It's still dull though.
Oh is it? Well I'll still attempt it anyway, hopefully I can see Eryan's point.
well Golly I did not read Lost Tales version, it's the Unfinished Tales version which moved me a lot...
I...am...struggling...now...since...it's ...so ...d*mn... boring......help..
Maybe I'll try again later. I can't concentrate since my head is full of football right now.
Maybe I'll try again later. I can't concentrate since my head is full of football right now.
Is there really coming a movie of Silmarillion...? I want to know if it’s true...But how they can make a movie of Sil...It’s not a whole story...It consist of many different parts and epochies...Maybe they can but it’s hard to believe.
No Sam. As of yet, no one is planning on making Silmarillion, The Movie, this thread was just a hypothetical question to get us talking about it. There are probably three or four movies that could be made from the book. 
Aaaaaah yes, Right on! Silmarillion... a worthy story to become a full featured film added to the rest of the Tolkien films!
Starring Boring as Hurin
Grondmaster as finrod felagund
Plastic As Melkor
Tom as luthien
Ungoliant as......... errr... herself
etc etc
Grondmaster as finrod felagund
Plastic As Melkor
Tom as luthien
Ungoliant as......... errr... herself
etc etc
Yay! I get to be in the movie!
But I don't wanna be me! I wanna be Luthien! waaaaaaaaa.......
But I don't wanna be me! I wanna be Luthien! waaaaaaaaa.......
Shoulda thought harder when you picked your nick then shouldn't you?
I want to be Idril! ...all I need is a body double and lots of makeup and special effects.....
OooOo, Idril's cool too! Good choice Ally! But I've always pictured you as Melian though...
You're right P, I'll stick to my 8-legged self. That way I can be assured of a proper meal early on. And I get to whup Morgoth's arse.
You're right P, I'll stick to my 8-legged self. That way I can be assured of a proper meal early on. And I get to whup Morgoth's arse.
Good move Golly, go see yourself in action at the pictures in 8-legged freaks, I reckon it might be right up your street.
Woohoo! I'm famous! 
*does a quick google* From some movie site or another :
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The residents of a rural mining town discover that an unfortunate chemical spill has caused hundreds of little spiders to mutate overnight to the size of SUVs. It's then up to mining engineer Chris McCormack and Sheriff Sam Parker to mobilize an eclectic group of townspeople, including the sheriff's young son Mike, her daughter Ashley and paranoid radio announcer Harlan, into battle against the bloodthirsty eight-legged beasts.
The residents of a rural mining town discover that an unfortunate chemical spill has caused hundreds of little spiders to mutate overnight to the size of SUVs. It's then up to mining engineer Chris McCormack and Sheriff Sam Parker to mobilize an eclectic group of townspeople, including the sheriff's young son Mike, her daughter Ashley and paranoid radio announcer Harlan, into battle against the bloodthirsty eight-legged beasts.
Bloodthirsty? Bleedin' speciests! And I bet that I die in the end, don't I....
*goes off in a sulk*
Oh yeah, and how....
Making a movie based on "The Silmarillion" would probably be harder for Jackson, it is so much different than "LOTR" (storywise etc...) But I would love to see the tale of Beren and Luthien come to life in the screen with PJ's touch. Wouldn't that be something? L.
Welcome, Lucien, to our forum.
Yes, the Tale of Beren and Luthien would really be the best movie to make from The Silmarillion. To make Turin's Story' would require at least six hours to cover the whole epic and it might need to push nine hours for justice to be served.
Yes, the Tale of Beren and Luthien would really be the best movie to make from The Silmarillion. To make Turin's Story' would require at least six hours to cover the whole epic and it might need to push nine hours for justice to be served.
Welcome to the PT forum Lucien. I, too, would like to see Of Beren and Luthien made into a film. I would go with my pockets full of tissue.
More than likely rumour and wishful thinking.
Maybe they should leave The Silmarillion alone. It should stay in our dreams and imaginations. I just think it's a great book, and a well written one for that matter.
Hello Lucien.
Yes, I quite agree, The Sil is a work of genius.
I would like to see The Fall of Gondolin made into a movie. Plenty of scope for expansion and subplots, romance between Tuor and Idril with Maeglin throwing in a "crazed love triangle" angle, and most poingantly, for me, the dispair of Tugon. The collapsing tower would be a really effective scene.
Yes, I quite agree, The Sil is a work of genius.
I would like to see The Fall of Gondolin made into a movie. Plenty of scope for expansion and subplots, romance between Tuor and Idril with Maeglin throwing in a "crazed love triangle" angle, and most poingantly, for me, the dispair of Tugon. The collapsing tower would be a really effective scene.
I do not think that The Sillmarillion should be made into a movie as a whole, rather, I think that Peter Jackson should do various parts of the book, such as the tale of Beren and Luthien, or the Fall of Gondolin. By the way, Lucien, is your name Elvish, or is it derived from Luthien?
Silmarillion, the movie: Just a rumour?
check this out http://groups.msn.com/MrMysteriousElf/elvesofsilmarillion.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=338
Could it be...? Or is it yet another fake?
Update: The pictures came from an RPG site originally. Which one is as yet unknown.
[Edited on 17/9/2002 by Allyssa]
check this out http://groups.msn.com/MrMysteriousElf/elvesofsilmarillion.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=338
Could it be...? Or is it yet another fake?
Update: The pictures came from an RPG site originally. Which one is as yet unknown.
[Edited on 17/9/2002 by Allyssa]
