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Only 3 ? What the... How could that happen? Shocked Smilie So Angry Smilie
Only 3 ? What the... How could that happen? Shocked Smilie So Angry Smilie
If you haven't noticed, the number of members actively posting this month is quite small. I don't blame the rest of them wanting to lay on the beach, go sailing, or hiking in the mountains in this, the Northern Hemisphere's height of Summer. However, I am sorry for those of you who have been experiencing those ungodly triple digit temperatures (above 37 C), especially when our highs are back in the 70-80 F range with cloudless skies and a nice sea breeze.

Oh, and I only missed four of Uruk_slayer's questions. Happy Elf Smilie
I think I did better than you Grondy! Tongue Smilie

Thanks so much for all the tips, Arcormacolindova! I don't think I would have found anything if you hadn't told me where to look. Well, where to look, gave away the language. Smile Smilie Thanks! Cool Smilie
You're welcome! Wink Smilie

(And I think I did better than Grondy too, ha!!
None wrong and perfect spelling and grammar, beat that!)
I know, it's not a competition...
Unfortunately, only three people submitted answers but they all did well.
Sorry I wasn't able to participate myself, Uruk. The past month I've been rather preoccupied with work, moving house, and then going on holiday. I'm still surrounded by boxes of possessions and clothes scattered everywhere, so it might take me a while before I feel anything like normal again.

When I first posted these types of quizzes I thought I might be inundated with replies, but it is not actually the case. Generally less than half a dozen members actually post in their answers.
uruk_slayer, I am sorry I did not send in my reply. I forgot all about it. I will finish it up and the get to work on the next quiz. I am very glad that people are making these wonderful quizes. I just wish I had more time to work on them.
Good to hear Melli, i'm glad to have another person take my quiz. Take your time with it and i'll pm your results.
Greetings all. I know this post is labeled as uruk_slayer, but he is not here right now. He is graciously allowing me to use his ID until such time comes when I am able to establish my own separate presence here. For the time being, you may refer to me as Melorelin.

For several months, uruk_slayer and I have been working together on answering the trivia questions posted in these forums. Many are the days when we spread the books across my living room floor to search for answers. Big Smile Smilie Which brings me to the reason for this post.

I've been working on the newest quiz, and some of the answers are being more elusive than is generally their habit. I believe between the two of us we have access to: the Hobbit, the LoTR, SIL, UT, Lays of Beleriand, the Atlas of Middle Earth, and the Languages of Tolkien's Middle-Earth by Ruth Noel.

My question is this: are there any answers among these 75 that may not be found within the texts I have mentioned above? If you do not wish to reply for all to see, you may PM me at


"Elen sila lumenn omentielvo."
(A star shines on the hour of our meeting)
I suppose I'll tell everyone which books I own. (and have used)
The Hobbit
The Silmarillion
Unfinished Tales
Book of Lost Tales I
The Lost Road and Other Writings
The Treason of Isengard
Master of Middle-Earth, by Paul H. Kocher

I used some of these. Wink Smilie
Tick tick tick tick...
Only 11 days left!
(Then if no one answers I'll have to extend it Smile Smilie
I will send you my answers soon Arco. I still don't have access to PT at home, I'm in Ghent now, in my room, studying. Animated Wink Smilie
I think I might extend the due date a bit. So far I only have answers from uruk_slayer. Sad Smilie

~ Arco Nimruz’r
And mine. Big Smile Smilie

I was just wondering who's working on the next quiz. Anyone? Question Smilie
Not me! I'm already too busy as it is. I'll try to keep up with things here but it's hard and will continue to be for the next few months.
I'm afraid work committments are taking their toll on my spare time too. Now that I've lost my broadband connection too, I'm struggling to keep up with the forum with the few hours I have available. When things settle down a bit I'll try to get another together, but it'll be a while.
Well I have an idea for my next one, but it will need some more time (a lot more time, at least two more weeks), but I thought there were others working on one too? Peredhil I thought was one of them? Yes indeed:

Mine will be some time yet.

Posted on 5/7

And before that Findekano said s/he (sorry!) was also working on a short one. So I think one of them could have one ready.
I am working on a quiz myself again, it will have 100 questions and it has, let's say, a sort of special format. Anyway, it'll take some time yet, at the earliest next week. Juggling Smilie

Anyone out there who has one ready before then? Waving Hello Smilie Question Smilie
Not much going on here apparently, to say the least. WAKE UP!!! lol

Ok I'll try to put up my quiz next week. Any objections/comments? Orc Going Huh Smilie
Big Smile Smilie Wink Smilie Uh-oh, 'special format??'
This could be challenging. Tongue Smilie
And you're right that no one is really doing anything in here.

I don't have any objections.

Arcormacolind’va, I have a question about one of the answers to the quiz. Number 9 "How many steps led up to the threshold of Orthanc?" Where did you find the answer 22? On TTT page 214 (begining part of Ch 10 if you have a different copy) it says "Up to the threshhold of the door there mounted a flight of twenty-seven broad stairs..."

As regards a new quiz, I can't wait for another challenge! Smile Smilie
Yes, it was just a typo on my behalf. The answer sheet I made had 27. Wink Smilie
Right so two people interested in a new quiz. Anyone else? Or are you all just too busy right now? Orc Going Huh Smilie

I'm afraid it will be some time yet, not quite finished (I know, I know...), but I suppose you can keep yourselves busy until I manage to put it up here. Tongue Smilie
Maybe it's just me but it seems like this has been the busiest year of my life. Things are moving much too fast for my pace and i'm losing too much sleep!!! two hours a night is not enough. anyway, enough whining, i'll see if i can conjure up something over thanksgiving break (that's this weekend people!) it'll be small and shabby but we'll see if it's worthy of attention.

Maybe it's just me but it seems like this has been the busiest year of my life. Things are moving much too fast for my pace and i'm losing too much sleep!!
It's not just you Uruk. I know for a fact this has been the busiest year of my life. Since becoming Head of Research last June, I don't seem to have time to do anything. I find myself having to plan my timetable while I'm driving, because its the only time people aren't bombarding me with other things to do Exploding Head Smilie .

The nice thing is though, I've accumulated so many hours TOIL (time off in lieu), that I'm now owed 275 hours in addition to my 23 days leave that I have remaining. As winter is a bit quieter in my job, they are letting me take 6 weeks off at Christmas because I need to get all those hours hacked down by Feb 1st Juggling Smilie (unfortunately, what I don't manage to use will get lost. Sad Smilie Doubly unfortunately, if I don't want to go back to a mountain of work, I'll have to take a heap home with me during the holiday Very Sad Smilie )
Perhaps you just need to find new ways to increase your productivity, such as: "If you can't get the job done working twenty-four hours per day, work nights." Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
I've been pretty busy myself too, but I managed to find some time and I finished the new quiz. Do you want me to put it up, or would you like me to postpone it a little? Just say it, it's all the same to me. Animated Wink Smilie
Put it up now Tommie. Smile Smilie
Tommie, go ahead and put your's up first. I'll wait until your's is done and over with before I post mine (which will also give me more time to work on it). I really should be doing my homework instead but oh well...this is too much fun!
Yesses pleasses do put it up now, wesses would I Love You Smilie a new quizzzzz. Fast Asleep Smilie Elf Winking Smilie
We wants it NOW, my preciousss! Ach, sss! Filthy little delay! *we need a Gollum / Sm’agol smily Smile Smilie*
Well here we are then: my new quiz, finally! And in time with the new (absolutely fabulous) pt!

Y'all know the rules, but just to be on the safe side: do NOT post your answers below please, you can email them to me at:
If you have any questions or comments, feel free to post them below.

To find the KEYWORD: Look at the previous five answers and find what they have in common. - So added Grondy 06 Feb. 04 after reading Tommie's post of 05 Feb. 04. Cool Elf Smilie

Please be aware of the fact that many clues are hidden in the answers. You don't always need the whole answer as a clue. Sometimes the answer is a lead to the clue. There are 20 keywords to be found. For the correct answer to an "ordinary" question you get one point. For the correct answer to a keyword, you get two points. So, in all, you can earn 140 points.

I will give you until the end of February (yes, that long) to send in your answers.

Good luck and I hope you enjoy the quiz!

1. The One, God.
2. A port built by the Eldar on the eastern shore of Tol Eressea.
3. Kingdom of the Dunedain in the Second Age.
4. Dwelling-place of the Valar in the time of the two lamps.
5. The Argonath.
6. Spouse of Vana.
7. Great jewels made by Feanor.
8. Green mound before the western gate of Valimar.
9. Another name for the Void.
10. The southern portion of Aman.
11. Dwelling of Elrond.
12. Son of Eomund and Theodwyn.
13. Coastal area in Harad.
14. A seeing stone.
15. Town of men and hobbits, situated at the crossing of the Great East Road and the North Road.
16. Gandalf's faithful steed.
17. Father of Eorl.
18. Other name for the One Ring.
19. The Edain.
20. Land of the Valar in Aman.
21. English translation of "mellon".
22. Lady of the Golden Wood.
23. The Aglarond, also called the ... ?
24. A metal, only to be found in the mines of Moria.
25. Mountain east of Mirkwood and west of the Iron Hills.
26. Quenya for "foam-flower".
27. Three-peaked mountain raised above Angband by Melkor.
28. He was slain by Bard.
29. A discussion that seems to have no end: do Balrogs have ... ?
30. The Stone of Erech.
31. Land previously known as Calenardhon.
32. Wood east of the southern end of the Misty Mountains.
33. The greatest river of north-western Middle-Earth.
34. Author of "The Reckoning of Years".
35. At the time of the War of the Ring, this marked the northern boundary of Rohan.
36. One of the three kindreds of the Eldar, led by Finwe on the Great Journey.
37. Lands of Arda east of Belegaer.
38. Father of Idril.
39. He stole a fruit of Nimloth from the courts of Armelenos.
40. The Orkish name for this fortress is Lugburz.
41. In the First Age, he was the Lord of the Falas.
42. Fortress in south-western Mirkwood.
43. Fortress built by Gondor in the days of its power in Nan Curunir.
44. Son of Erendil.
45. The three kindreds of Elves of the Great Journey.
46. One of the ambassadors sent to Valinor by Orome.
47. With Mablung, he was the only Elf of Doriath to fight in the Nirnaeth Arnoediad.
48. Anduril, also called ... ?
49. A black, shining metal that was malleable but as hard as steel even when thin.
50. The underground halls built for Thingol.
51. The south-kingdom of the Dunedain.
52. The usurper of Gondor
53. The great haven far to the south of Gondor.
54. The title of the lords of the Dunedain, Elendil and his descendants.
55. He was slain by the Wainriders in the Battle of the Plains.
56. Orc-chieftain of Moria, he slew Thror.
57. The Dimrill Dale.
58. Father of Balin.
59. Son of Gror, of the royal line of Durin's Folk
60. The End of the Elder Days.
61. Dwarvenking who deserted Khazad-dum.
62. Only son of Belladonna Took.
63. Great battle fought before the gates of Erebor.
64. One of the seven clans of the Dwarves, those that were descended from the oldest of the Seven Fathers of the Dwarves, another name for Durin's folk.
65. Range of mountains running west to east and forming the likely northern border of Rhovanion.
66. The name given to the fourteen powerful spirits who took physical form and entered Arda after its creation to give order to the world and combat the evils of Melkor.
67. The last king of Numenor
68. Any of the races of Arda who were subject to old age and death, but the name applies especially to Men.
69. The departure of this ship from the Grey Havens marked the end of the Third Age. It was built by Cirdan and the shipwrights of Mithlond.
70. The haven of the Elves who lived on the isle of Tol Eressea.
71. A stone by the side of the East Road that marked the point where the borders of the Eastfarthing, Westfarthing and Southfarthing of the Shire came together.
72. An inn on the East Road, about halfway between Hobbiton and the Brandywine Bridge.
73. Title given to the "police-force" of the Shire, the ones who kept order.
74. A fertile but boggy farmland region on the western banks of the River Brandywine.
75. The first of the five wizards to arrive in Middle-Earth.
76. The "country of Balar".
77. She came under the dragon-spell of Glaurung and married her brother.
78. Battle in which the Noldor and the Edain purposed the final overthrow of Morgoth, but they were themselves utterly defeated.
79. The chronicles of the Second and Third Ages.
80. The long Elvish lay that told the story of Beren and Luthien.
81. The emblem of the Princes from this city was the Ship and Silver Swan.
82. Titel of the ruler of the Dwarves of Erebor.
83. River in Gondor that joines the Morthond and has its source in the White Mountains. (There are two rivers that match this description, the one you are looking for is the one to the east)
84. From what language is the name Belegorn originally?
85. City and port in Eldamar, on the coast north of the Calacirya, built by the Teleri, when they came to Aman. (two names, only one contains a clue!!!)
86. Pass over the Ephel Duath, just north of Minas Morgul.
87. One of the Mearas, sire of Snowmane.
88. Special fate of Men, place upon them at their making.
89. She was called "Her Ladyship" by the Orcs of a particular group.
90. The Ring of Adamant.
91. Region where Hobbits live.
92. River, crossed by the Great East Road by the Bridge of Stonebows.
93. Son of Fortinbras Took and 26th Thain of the Shire.
94. Great bow of Beleg which was buried with him.
95. Number of gates in the Orfalch Echos.
96. Great Dragon of the Ered Mithrin, possessor of a large Dwarf-hoard.
97. Eldest son of Denethor II.
98. She killed the Witch-King of Angmar.
99. Old German currency, now no longer used since the Euro took over. Tongue Smilie
100. Title of Chapter VIII, Book 6, The Return of the King.


#9: Multiple answers possible, I count them all correct of course, and most of them contain a clue to the keyword as well.
#19: Again several answers possible, and in one way only one of them contains a clue, in another way they all do, so this one shouldn't be a problem.
#44: There are two, I know, you only need one of them, but both count as correct.
#46: Three possible answers, only one gives a clue for the keyword, again any of the three is correct of course.
#54: Several answers possible, two contain a clue to the keyword.
#55: I will only say that there are (much to my surprise) two answers possible, but only one leads to the keyword.
#57, #60, #73: Two possible answers for each, both correct, and both providing a clue, so no problem.
Thanks Tommie, it looks like a good one and I my be able to start it by February. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
It was a really great one, Tommie! I enjoyed it a lot! Now I'll be waiting for the correct answers, as I have already finished it in my haste!

I'm a quarter way through and am only having trouble with two of them so far. Good Quizzerini.
I'm now 45% finished. I like those keyword questions, they are clues that help answer sometimes harder questions elsewhere.
Well that certainly wasn' the intention, but I'm glad you like it anyway. Very Big Grin Smilie
60% finished.
Well that certainly wasn' the intention, but I'm glad you like it anyway. Very Big Grin Smilie
Well then, Perhaps I said it backwards. Elk Grinning Smilie
Halloa! Yes, it's still good old me, but under a different nick. I have permanently changed to this nick, for reasons I have explained elsewhere, but I just thought it best to put it up here as well, otherwise it might just be a little queer to people who don't know that. Animated Wink Smilie
99% complete finished; semi-stumped on #68. Must sleep on it some more, except its kinda lumpy. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
I finished the quiz and emailed my answers to Tommie today. Dunce Smilie

There is still a month for the rest of you to try your hand at it. I found most of the answers in Hobbit, LotR, and Sil, with a couple in UT, and one via Google. Teacher Smilie
I am confused as to what the KEYWORDs are for in Tom's quiz. I haven't been on the boards in awhile, and was wanting to get back and do the quiz.

Are they related to the items that are preceding them? A little help please to one who wants to come back into the fold.

I figured they were the answers to the questions above them, of course I could be wrong. The main thing is they are worth double points. So I just tried to answer the questions on each side of them.

It is so nice to see that you are back. I have missed seeing your insightful posts around here. Welcome back to our new and improved website.



I love the quiz i am about a quarter of the way through it and I am really enjoying it. Thank you so much for posting it. Hopefully, I will have time to finish it this time.

Let me explain the KEYWORD questions again:

There are 100 "ordinary" questions. Below every group of 5 questions you see the word "KEYWORD". The answers to the five questions above that word will lead to a "keyword", a term that is related to all five answers. In other words, when you have solved 5 questions, you need to look for a word (it can be anything really, a person, an object, a river, a region, etc.) that is related to all 5 answers. If it's not clear, email me and I'll try to explain again. Animated Wink Smilie

So, Grondy, I received your answers, but I don't think you included any of the keyword answers. You can still send them in if you like, I haven't corrected anything yet.

Good luck Bain and Mellie! Looking forward to seeing your answers!
Oh, now I understand; I've never run into a quiz like that before. But Tommie's above post clarifird it for me.

We are supossed to look at the previous five answers and find the common denominator, which will be their keyword.

I'll edit Tommie's Quiz post to clarify what the keyword represents. I'll also try to solve this mini puzzle that should be fun now that I have the hundred answers finished, They may need changing if common denominator only stands out for four of my five answers, for that will probably mean one of my answers is wrong.

The keyword is like the checksum, which I encountered with the old type-in programs before software was commercially published on disks or cartridges. We would spend hours entering lines of code from a magazine and save them to disk or tape cassette in order to later run and play some fun games on those early computers.

Aftrer each line of code was a checksum and if we had typed the line correctly, our input program would display the same check sum as was listed in the magazine. Compute! was one of these magazines and they had these type-in programs for the Atari, Commodore 64, and the IBM PC.

Some of these programs were written in Basic and some in Machine Language. The machine language ones were very dificult to type, because the lines were just strings of digits and the letters A through F, but they ran so much faster and were really impressive graphically.

But enough of this reminiscing; I've got a forum to read through.
Hi everyone! It's been a while since I've had time to look on PT so I'm a little behind. Tommie, I will try to get as much done as possible, but could I send these to you after the deadline? I'm very short on free time. Good luck to eveyone else though!
Lol! And there was I who thought my deadline was a pretty long one. It's all right, Uruk, you can. But if I have finished correcting everything else before I get your answers, I will put up the hall of fame and add you later on, if that's ok.
I have a few corrections to make to the quiz, but I don't have them here right now. They don't concern anything important, most are about multiple answers possible, so the ones who have already handed in their answers needn't worry. I will put up the corrections somewhere this week or over the weekend at the latest. We apologize for the inconvenience. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie
I have just put up the corrections.

I must say I'm having a bit of a struggle correcting the keywords, because it seems you see other links then I do. lol Anyway, looking forward to more answers. Big Smile Smilie
Ah, those keywords can be annoying. And you've stumped me on say, 20 questions, or so. Wink Smilie

Edit: more like 11 Keywords and 2 actual questions Smile Smilie
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