Brooding? I think I can do that.
I have this really huge Social Studies project to do, and it's going to take 7 weeks, and I'm in my second week, and I've only just started taking notes, because on Monday after school, my time is taken from bussing to piano lesson, doing piano lesson, and walking all the way home, real slow cause I'm with my mum. And on Tuesdya, I have to go to my friend's house and I can't do my homework there becasuse they always have the TV on and the computer going and are all making so much NOISE and watching rubbish cuase it's on the box and then we go to bellringing at the cathedral and I get home and it's 7 and there's no time at all cause I have to practise my piano and my guitar every day and that takes a couple of hours at the least, and on Wednesdays I have to go to the library with my friend and on Fridays I have to wait outside school for 3/4 of an hour and I can't do my homework there, there's so much noise and you can't get comfortable sitting on the concrete, and the acorns always falling on your head and the birds dropping their stuff on you, and then I have to walk to guitar and I have to do my guitar lesson, and then I have to walk allllll the way home and it's even longer than piano, and on Sundays I don't work cause it's against my religion and THURSDAYS AND SATURDAYS ARE MY ONLY FREE DAYS and AS FOR THURSDAYS, THAT MOSTLY GONE WHEN I'M DONE WITH MY MUSIC PRACTISES AND IT'S ANNOYING CAUSE I CAN'T DO ANY WORK AT 6 - 6.30 ANYWAY BECAUSE MY BROTHER IS WATCHING TV AND LAUGHING REAL LOUD LIKE THAT EPISODE OF MR. BEAN WHEN MR. BEAN WANTS THAT DUDE TO SHUT UP AND HE WON'T AND I'M SO JEALOUS BECAUSE MY BROTHER DOESN'T HAVE TO DO HOMEWORK AND HE'S ALMOST 16 AND HE'S DOING SEVENTH FORM!!!!!! HE HAS NO HOMEWORK AND IF HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO WORK CAUSE 'IT'S YUK' THEN HE DOESN'T HAVE TO CAUSE MY MUM'S HIS TEACHER AT HOME AND HE'S ALWAYS JUST SITTING AROUND PLAYING HIS HANDHELD NINTENDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alright, I'll shut up now. I've let off my steam.
Man, that was a long post!
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Man, that was a long post!
Man, that was a long post!
And in the time you took to write it, you could have cracked on with your homework

I can understand how you feel, though Loni. It sounds as though you have lot on your plate with music lessons. Can you not do your work in your bedroom, though, if people are watching TV. And instead of waiting outside of school, would the teachers not let you sit in the library for a while. Large projects and deadlines are things many people have to deal with. Part of getting them done, however, is planning on just how you are going to do it. In your case it is a matter of making arrangements whereby you can have somewhere quiet to do your work in.
Homework's a bear, I know...if other people's ambient noise bugs you, try wearing headphones - your own noise might not bug you as much. If you've got to have it silent to work, though, it might be worthwhile to carry around some earplugs. Learning to covertly do homework during class is another valuable skill, I've found 


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Learning to covertly do homework during class is another valuable skill, I've found
Learning to covertly do homework during class is another valuable skill, I've found
As is trying to input data aboard a boat that's being tossed around a bit. Quite often I find myself hitting the wrong keys because everything is moving. When things get really bad I also find the drawers on my filing cabinet fly open and try to take my knee-caps off, while the printer and monitor migrate across the desk.
Mind you, I find my task easier than those who are trying to cook at the time.
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Can you not do your work in your bedroom, though, if people are watching TV. And instead of waiting outside of school, would the teachers not let you sit in the library for a while.
Can you not do your work in your bedroom, though, if people are watching TV. And instead of waiting outside of school, would the teachers not let you sit in the library for a while.
My bedroom is right by the room where the TV is. It's about two metres away. Besides, my room is so small with my bed in it, the only floor space is a metre wide aisle. i need room to put all my papers and stationery and stuff. And I can still hear the TV AND MY BROTHER LAUGHING HIS HEAD OFF AT THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I can't sit in the library cause this is after school and it has closed and the librarian doesn't like me cause I used to sit with these noisy friends of mine in the ibrary and she doesn't like them.
BUT GUESS WHAT???
I've finished my project! I finished it before the bell rang just before school. Social Studies was second period. It's the first day of the holidays today and one the first day back I'll find out my mark! That's over!
But guess what. This holidays I have to swot for a huge end-of-term Maths test which the teacher put off till next term, and finish Science Fair (In the Accelerate Class it's compulsory to do Science Fair, whereas the others don't) and do a practise Australian Maths Competition Paper (It's also compulsory to do all Australian Competitions, Maths, English, Computers, Science, Writing, whereas the others don't) and also a Science project which I've already had an exntension on thanks to my Mum writing a note to the teacher. And my topic is harder than everyone elses (now I realise it) and I can't change cause I've already started.
And please don't say I could've been doing my homework just then because I haven't been on PT for at least two weeks and I think the first day of the holidays should be a free day, cause it's the FIRST DAY OUT OF SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
And in between of all this I have to finish my pokerwork runes on my wooden sword and finish sanding it and make that horizontal bit at the otp of the hilt and and carve the hilt, but that's a hobby thing so I do that on Sundays.
And I'll stop whining now and do something constructive.
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I've finished my project! I finished it before the bell rang just before school. Social Studies was second period. It's the first day of the holidays today and one the first day back I'll find out my mark! That's over!
I've finished my project! I finished it before the bell rang just before school. Social Studies was second period. It's the first day of the holidays today and one the first day back I'll find out my mark! That's over!
Good job, Loni.

My brood is about a neighbor's cow who keeps coming here into our land including the back and front yard - chewing up our plants and trees, which isent the biggest worry but the fact that my dad's very expensive bulls are taking interest in her and will jump the fences once she comes into heat and we can't take the risk of them damaging themselfs in a way that would make it incapable for them to breed our cows. The owner of the reckless cow will not come and get her but wont allow his son to tranqeulize her (fearing that she'll die) so we had the deputy out to see what we could *legally* do about it. The deputy couldn't do anything about it until she entered a public highway and put another person's well being in danger... But it wouldn't be a criminal act to shoot the cow so that is exactly what my dad is going to do. *meh* It has to be done but I wish that poor old stupid cow didn't have to die. Oh well...

A friend had same problem with animal. We had to kill it It was not fun but times it must be.
So worry not little one it will be for best.
So worry not little one it will be for best.

LadyFeawen: If your dad shoots her, then he will have to call the rendering truck to get rid of the carcass. Can you not catch the cow and tie her up to a fence post or something and then tell your neighbor if he wants her back he'll have to come and get her. It isn't rustling if you capture her on your property.
We used to stake our cow out in the waterway on a twenty foot chain and a steel bar pounded into the ground. I'd bring her back for a drink at noon and late afternoon. I'd move the stake every couple of days depending on the condition of grass and alfalfa. Of course this was after we got one good cutting of hay from the waterway. Ours was a dry land farm, so one cutting was all we could expect. Dad did the morning milking and I did the evening, except in the summer when I did both.
We used to stake our cow out in the waterway on a twenty foot chain and a steel bar pounded into the ground. I'd bring her back for a drink at noon and late afternoon. I'd move the stake every couple of days depending on the condition of grass and alfalfa. Of course this was after we got one good cutting of hay from the waterway. Ours was a dry land farm, so one cutting was all we could expect. Dad did the morning milking and I did the evening, except in the summer when I did both.
I honestly didn't want my dad to shoot the cow and said I would take time to try again to get the cow into it's proper field, Grondy, and expressed my feelings to him but it didn't stop him... I try to tell myself "It had to be done.." but it still upsets me. Maybe someday I will be less affected when thing's like that happen, but I doubt it.

Poor cow. I suppose it is worse because you have seen the cow as a live animal whereas most of us don't see them until they end up on our plate.
My son tells me about the baby birds he has tried to save and it takes me right back to when I was his age and desperate to save these poor little things when they fell out of nests or were attacked by cats. It was so unfair that no matter what I did they still died. I am usually able now to accept that it is part of life but listening to him reminds me that at one time it was the saddest thing to see something helpless die.
I am glad he has the compassion within him to feel that way.
It's the same with your cow.... only bigger. You want to help but you can't.
My son tells me about the baby birds he has tried to save and it takes me right back to when I was his age and desperate to save these poor little things when they fell out of nests or were attacked by cats. It was so unfair that no matter what I did they still died. I am usually able now to accept that it is part of life but listening to him reminds me that at one time it was the saddest thing to see something helpless die.
I am glad he has the compassion within him to feel that way.
It's the same with your cow.... only bigger. You want to help but you can't.

Sorry, I tried hard, (I really did!) but I don't have that much sympathy for the old cow. 
The animal is destroying crops and this neighbor doesn't seem to care about the matter. If he won't take charge of his livestock and pay for damages them he deserves to lose his animal.
But you are a good person to feel the way you do, Fea.

The animal is destroying crops and this neighbor doesn't seem to care about the matter. If he won't take charge of his livestock and pay for damages them he deserves to lose his animal.
But you are a good person to feel the way you do, Fea.


Maybe the cow's owner should be shot instead of the cow. It is hardly the cow's fault is it but it is the cow that suffers in the end.

What's Fea'a father supposed to do? Continue taking losses to his property because a lazy neighbor won't remove his animal?
And I hardly think that Fea's father needs to blow the neighbor's head off. Even if he does deserve it.
And I hardly think that Fea's father needs to blow the neighbor's head off. Even if he does deserve it.

in some places there are laws set that if an animal is on your property for a certain amount of time it becomes legally yours (im not sure about this so dont just assume im right,as a matter of fact never assume anything)and you can do whatever you want with it.i would sell it and were i live i could probably get $200-300 dollars from the dumb animal.cows are one of the dumbest,ugliest animals ever, i can prove this i am around cows often,they smell awful too.if you shoot the cow and it causes alot of damage you should have enough proof it was destroying your property in any court of law.(might i recomend at least a 30-30 for cows,anything smaller will just cause it alot of pain)

Stoney - you hoping for a barbeque?

Me,Vee? You mean good, kind hearted Stoney??
I can't imagine what gave you that idea.....

I can't imagine what gave you that idea.....

AAArrrrgggghhh!!!
This afternoon after entering half the violin's notes for the Adagio of a Bach Violin Sonata and all the notes for the left hand harpsichord part, as well as all the nuance numbers for both, and listening to it once, I made the final save to disk and the computor and drive locked-up during the save and wiped out the whole piece. DIRTY ROTTEN SNAZZLE-FRATS!!! It was only 36 measures, but the violin part was mostly 32nd and 64th notes, and I'm not a happy camper. SHUCKY-DARN!!!
I had planned on starting the right-hand harpsichord next; instead I shut down and came here to work the forum. HUMPH!!!
This afternoon after entering half the violin's notes for the Adagio of a Bach Violin Sonata and all the notes for the left hand harpsichord part, as well as all the nuance numbers for both, and listening to it once, I made the final save to disk and the computor and drive locked-up during the save and wiped out the whole piece. DIRTY ROTTEN SNAZZLE-FRATS!!! It was only 36 measures, but the violin part was mostly 32nd and 64th notes, and I'm not a happy camper. SHUCKY-DARN!!!
I had planned on starting the right-hand harpsichord next; instead I shut down and came here to work the forum. HUMPH!!!

Ooo wow I'm sorry Grondy! That really sucks that that happened, and I'm sorry to hear about the cow Fea ;'(

That really stinks, Grondy, sorry about that. 64th notes are always a pain.
I'm mad cause some clod tried to steal our truck this morning, this dunce was going to take a screw driver to the window (the door was unlocked...stupid criminals for ya) my sister looked out of the house window and banged on the glass and scared him off. But we got his liscense plate number and gave it to the police
I'm mad cause some clod tried to steal our truck this morning, this dunce was going to take a screw driver to the window (the door was unlocked...stupid criminals for ya) my sister looked out of the house window and banged on the glass and scared him off. But we got his liscense plate number and gave it to the police
Unbelievable Stony. I have had my car stolen before. Not a good feeling. It astounds me the way some people have no conscience!

I know just how you feel Grondy. I had just finished a chapter in a novel I was once writing when the power went off just as I hit the save button. It was in the days of the good old Amiga's when you had to save onto floppies. I lost about ten hours work because it cleared the disk as well as the memory.
I was so gutted, I went down into the garden, attacked a tree with a big stick for several minutes, and then went back upstairs and proceeded to write the whole lot again. Remarkably, I was able to recall the whole lot almost word for word.
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Good job your sister saw them Stoney. At least you can say you still have your van. I hope the police catch them, although unless they have caused some damage, there may not be a lot they can charge them with.
I was so gutted, I went down into the garden, attacked a tree with a big stick for several minutes, and then went back upstairs and proceeded to write the whole lot again. Remarkably, I was able to recall the whole lot almost word for word.
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Good job your sister saw them Stoney. At least you can say you still have your van. I hope the police catch them, although unless they have caused some damage, there may not be a lot they can charge them with.

Yeah, it is just really irritating. We have alarms and kill switches on our vehicles but that has not stopped them from being broken into. I think that we have had 9 total attempts to steal our trucks.

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Yeah, it is just really irritating. We have alarms and kill switches on our vehicles but that has not stopped them from being broken into. I think that we have had 9 total attempts to steal our trucks.
If it wasn't for being against the law and all that stuff, it might be worthwhile to booby-trap them. You could use an indelible spray rather than acid. Or a cheap perfume rather than skunk spray. The problem is you don't want to maim them or damage your vehicle, you just want to embarrass them big time. Even a tazer trap could cause you liability. And you can't rig a camera to take their picture for they would steal that instead. Yeah, it is just really irritating. We have alarms and kill switches on our vehicles but that has not stopped them from being broken into. I think that we have had 9 total attempts to steal our trucks.

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And you can't rig a camera to take their picture for they would steal that instead.
And you can't rig a camera to take their picture for they would steal that instead.
As well as, surely?

Oh yes, they love cameras.......and radios.
where i live it wont help having them on camera as here unless you put up a sigh to say your filming them it is unadmissable in court dont you think it is defeating the object if you tell them they are being filmed

Well that stinks, dude. Not even a security camera?
Put up a sign........I understand that if you were be tapeing law abiding citizens.......but criminals??
Put up a sign........I understand that if you were be tapeing law abiding citizens.......but criminals??




According to statistics, within 2025 there will be 1.3 lawyers per person in USA.


Not according to a report a heard on the radio a few weeks ago. It has now got so bad with doctors and hospitals being sued in lawsuits etc, many doctors are refusing to treat solicitors, their families and their associates.
We wouldn't have got away with it now days, but 20 years ago when us and several other fishermen were having new steel boats built in a local yard we were having a lot of problems with thefts in the night. One fisherman was so annoyed when he lost a ’500 propellor, he left the ladder up to his boat wired up to a three-phase welder all night. The next day we found the ladder on the floor and a lot of scuff marks in the ground all around that area. It did the trick though.
I wouldn't recommend doing it now days though, because you might finish up getting some quite serious charges thrown at you.
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The problem is you don't want to maim them or damage your vehicle, you just want to embarrass them big time. Even a tazer trap could cause you liability.
The problem is you don't want to maim them or damage your vehicle, you just want to embarrass them big time. Even a tazer trap could cause you liability.
We wouldn't have got away with it now days, but 20 years ago when us and several other fishermen were having new steel boats built in a local yard we were having a lot of problems with thefts in the night. One fisherman was so annoyed when he lost a ’500 propellor, he left the ladder up to his boat wired up to a three-phase welder all night. The next day we found the ladder on the floor and a lot of scuff marks in the ground all around that area. It did the trick though.
I wouldn't recommend doing it now days though, because you might finish up getting some quite serious charges thrown at you.

I have heard that there are more lawyers in school right now than there are out practicing. Scary eh? Think of all the new "rules" they will find for us.


Onewiththechainsaw Posted the following on Tuesday 2nd November 2004 (02:35am) in Guess the Heavymetal/Rock song!!
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i kno this isnt the exact place for things of this sort, but ive been feeling really down these days, and my grades are dropping, and nothings fun anymore, and i dunno, does anyone kno how to make me better. i need help, cause nothings happy anymore.
Does anyone have any helpful suggestions?i kno this isnt the exact place for things of this sort, but ive been feeling really down these days, and my grades are dropping, and nothings fun anymore, and i dunno, does anyone kno how to make me better. i need help, cause nothings happy anymore.

Prozac?

Grondy said 'helpful'.

Yes, Onewiththechainsaw, I know what you mean. My teen years were dark and stormy so I can relate to your current somber mood. What got me through was to develop my faith through reading the religious book which dominates it, plus sharing my feelings with my closest friends. By reading the stories of great men and women who lived before me, and how they struggled with (and overcame!) their moments of sadness and despair, I was able to look beyond the present. Sometimes we get so caught up in the moment that we forget that tomorrow is a new day. As long as you keep reaching for that new day, you will make it through the current gloomy one. Take care One..

Prozac helps, Vee. Makes the dark thoughts go away.

Depending on what the problem is, and depending on proper medical supervision - it might help. It might also make things worse.
It is not a cure all for whenever anyone feels down, sad, miserable or even when someone is clinically depressed. It's a hell of a thing to get hooked on. Use with caution.
It is not a cure all for whenever anyone feels down, sad, miserable or even when someone is clinically depressed. It's a hell of a thing to get hooked on. Use with caution.

That's true, perhaps Edronax is safer. But anything is better than Adapin.

*looks at CNN*
Can I have some of those pills, Vir?
Can I have some of those pills, Vir?

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i kno this isnt the exact place for things of this sort, but ive been feeling really down these days, and my grades are dropping, and nothings fun anymore, and i dunno, does anyone kno how to make me better. i need help, cause nothings happy anymore.
i kno this isnt the exact place for things of this sort, but ive been feeling really down these days, and my grades are dropping, and nothings fun anymore, and i dunno, does anyone kno how to make me better. i need help, cause nothings happy anymore.
I don't really have any advice on how to get out of this one, except to say often a series of problems have one common denominator. Falling grades, for example, can be the result of you having a tough time because you no longer feel able to concentrate on your studies. A knock on effect of falling grades then means you perhaps feel bad about them, which extenuates your whole "feeling down". In the end, as things become worse, you feel as though you are in a spiral.
What you really need to do is try to sit and down and think what could be at the root of all of your recent problems. It could be anything; family issues, school, relationship problems, boredom etc. If you can isolate the main issue, however, and then solve it, you should find the other problems will seem so much lighter.
I'm not sure of your age, but if you are in your mid teens, you will find you are not alone in how you feel. The majority of people go through similar problems at that age, and generally these problems miraculously improve (generally with the leaving of school) towards the end of your teens. It is a natural transition time in one's life, when your world is changing from being a child to an adult.
Often the symptoms you describe are caused by the frustration of being caught in a rut. You may feel as though your life is going nowhere, and you are bored with everything. If this is the case, try to break your rut. Do something dramatically different. Do something you have never done before. Go to places you don't normally visit. Try to meet some different people. Try a new hobby. It's like giving your life a spring clean.
Good luck

Sounds like good advice to me Val!
Very true Terrijayne, and I’ve been there (alot of us have)! I can remember some gloomy times for me about 15 years ago, and there were a couple of nights where I really just felt like ending it all. I was caught up in the moment, not looking toward the future, and not thinking about the promise of a new day.
Honestly though, the last 10 years of my life have been the best 10 years of my life so far, and I’m sincerely glad that I’ve been around to live em’. The point is that you can never give up hope, there is always hope even when it seems like sometimes there is nothing else, and there is always the promise of a new day! You never know what’s just around the corner in life, so like Terrijayne said, always keep reaching for that new day and you will persevere!
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Sometimes we get so caught up in the moment that we forget that tomorrow is a new day. As long as you keep reaching for that new day, you will make it through the current gloomy one.
Sometimes we get so caught up in the moment that we forget that tomorrow is a new day. As long as you keep reaching for that new day, you will make it through the current gloomy one.
Very true Terrijayne, and I’ve been there (alot of us have)! I can remember some gloomy times for me about 15 years ago, and there were a couple of nights where I really just felt like ending it all. I was caught up in the moment, not looking toward the future, and not thinking about the promise of a new day.
Honestly though, the last 10 years of my life have been the best 10 years of my life so far, and I’m sincerely glad that I’ve been around to live em’. The point is that you can never give up hope, there is always hope even when it seems like sometimes there is nothing else, and there is always the promise of a new day! You never know what’s just around the corner in life, so like Terrijayne said, always keep reaching for that new day and you will persevere!


My life is a complete mess. I'm a waste. Kill me!!

Floyd_n_milan see post above!
Hang in there, and heh, at least you have PT!



Cheer up it might never happen. Optimism is the nicest thing that ever hapened to me.

Nice to see you around, Plastic. Life still treating you well?
PLASTIC!!!!! Why are you invading this thread with your optimism!!!!!
THIS IS FOR DEPRESSED PEOPLE!!!!!! PEOPLE WHO LIKE WHINGING!!!!! TEENAGERS!!!!!!!! OLD PEOPLE ACTING LIKE TEENAGERS!!!!!!! But by the way, good point. GO AWAY!!!!!!!! FOREVER!!!!!!!!

Again, I shall whinge about homework. I have Science to do, Social Studies, Music, and Drama. And you'd think for Drama dn Music it'd be easy. No. It's written stuff. EEEEW!!!!!!! DOWN WITH HOMEWORK!!!!






Again, I shall whinge about homework. I have Science to do, Social Studies, Music, and Drama. And you'd think for Drama dn Music it'd be easy. No. It's written stuff. EEEEW!!!!!!! DOWN WITH HOMEWORK!!!!



Loni: You also are shouting a little too much lately, please tone it down.
You could use
to show your emotion.



I don't often have a lot to brood about, but something did bug me the other day....
In the past year we have formed a new team at the top of our organisation, in which myself and my boss have tried very hard to adopt new practices with the fishing industry. We still have the same problems managing a sustainable fishery, and have a lot of Conservation issues to contend with, but our attitude to the fishermen and the industry has been totally different to the management teams of the past. Using my own experiences from when I was a fisherman myself, we now consult with them a lot more in the decision making, take into account their opinions a lot more, give them far mor e information than before so we cannot be accused of springing things on them. In a nutshell we are trying to form a working relationship with them. We all want to see a successful fishery.
What really get's my goat, then, is when at a meeting we get fingers pointed at us by someone accusing us of trying to put him out of work because we want to see him on the dole. Who then tells everyone we have stopped him having a mussel fishery for twelve years (how things get twisted.... one bed was closed 12 years ago for conservation purposes, not the whole fishery. And ironically it was me that opened that bed for the first time earlier this year as one of the first decisions I was empowered to make.) This person points out that there was a wonderful fishery until we began managing it and since then, there's been nothing (when the reality was we were given management of it when it reached rock bottom in the early 90's after being fished to death, and have had to use some pretty draconian measures to see it recover).
I'm not asking for a medal for what I do, and I can understand their distrust after some of what has occurred in the past, but it bugs me that some of them are so blind to the changes that have occurred in the past year. We are bending over backwards to help these people have not just a living this year, but also in the future too, and some of them just don't see it. I can spend an hour demonstrating to them why we need sustainability, only to have them strive for quotas that would take the stock recovery back ten years if we let them.
Oh well, it's only a few of them, and maybe time will tell, but it does bug when they blindly give this critism in front of a room full of people.
In the past year we have formed a new team at the top of our organisation, in which myself and my boss have tried very hard to adopt new practices with the fishing industry. We still have the same problems managing a sustainable fishery, and have a lot of Conservation issues to contend with, but our attitude to the fishermen and the industry has been totally different to the management teams of the past. Using my own experiences from when I was a fisherman myself, we now consult with them a lot more in the decision making, take into account their opinions a lot more, give them far mor e information than before so we cannot be accused of springing things on them. In a nutshell we are trying to form a working relationship with them. We all want to see a successful fishery.
What really get's my goat, then, is when at a meeting we get fingers pointed at us by someone accusing us of trying to put him out of work because we want to see him on the dole. Who then tells everyone we have stopped him having a mussel fishery for twelve years (how things get twisted.... one bed was closed 12 years ago for conservation purposes, not the whole fishery. And ironically it was me that opened that bed for the first time earlier this year as one of the first decisions I was empowered to make.) This person points out that there was a wonderful fishery until we began managing it and since then, there's been nothing (when the reality was we were given management of it when it reached rock bottom in the early 90's after being fished to death, and have had to use some pretty draconian measures to see it recover).
I'm not asking for a medal for what I do, and I can understand their distrust after some of what has occurred in the past, but it bugs me that some of them are so blind to the changes that have occurred in the past year. We are bending over backwards to help these people have not just a living this year, but also in the future too, and some of them just don't see it. I can spend an hour demonstrating to them why we need sustainability, only to have them strive for quotas that would take the stock recovery back ten years if we let them.
Oh well, it's only a few of them, and maybe time will tell, but it does bug when they blindly give this critism in front of a room full of people.
*hugs Val* hope everything gets better for you.
My only brood that I'm able to mention is that I have very little time for the PT forums anymore, and I miss it dearly! My computer isen't helping that problem either, it usually crashes, runs too slow or freezes up when I get enough time to be here... Haven't abandoned you all or anything!
My only brood that I'm able to mention is that I have very little time for the PT forums anymore, and I miss it dearly! My computer isen't helping that problem either, it usually crashes, runs too slow or freezes up when I get enough time to be here... Haven't abandoned you all or anything!


Life still treating me great thanks Val. 
Problems are only problems if you let them become problems. Really, it';s true

Problems are only problems if you let them become problems. Really, it';s true