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wasn't it Dori?
I believe it was Bombur.

But now that I looked it up...
they took it in turn to carry him on their backs.

It actually only mentions specifically that...
"Why, O why did I ever leave my hobbit hole!" said poor Mr. Baggins bumping up and down on Bomber's back.

Quite suddenly Dori, now at the back again carrying Bilbo, was grabbed...

So we are both right. I would actually assume that all of the dwarves carried bilbo. Tolkien made it seem like a long chase out of the mountain.
Well, I was looking for Lemaly orangeflower's "Dori", but after Caudimordax's doing a more complete search than I did, with his finding that most if not all of the dwarves carried Bilbo, I'll award a Pseudo-Silmaril to both Lemaly orangeflower and Caudimordax. Happy Elf Smilie

Which King under the Mountain fell with King Brand of Dale in the War of the Ring Question Smilie
I believe that would be Dain II Ironhelm, and definitely see a theme developing.
Yeah we each get half a Pseudo-Silmaril. So how do you cut one of these things. And do you want to cut and I pick, or do you want me to cut and you pick. If you can cut a Pseudo-Silmaril that is. If you can't...we can share.
Morambar has the correct answer and another pretty bauble. Happy Elf Smilie

I meant to award one Pseudo-Silmaril each to Lemaly orangeflower and Caudimordax, for as I've said before, they quickly sublimate to gas. I suppose the gas could be bottled and shared, but there ain't much glory to be gained from a bottle of worthless amorphic gas; and bottles don't grow on trees in the real world. So I felt it was better to award two jewels so you would each have one of your own. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie

What island lay near the mouth of the River Anduin Question Smilie

So we each get one and I get another Hurrah. Oops It melted. I guess Pseudo Simarils are like m&m's
Oops It melted. I guess Pseudo Simarils are like m&m's

Maybe so, but I'm only aware of M&Ms melting in the mouth. So the question is, what have you been doing with your Pseudo Silmarils?
Caudimordax has the correct answer and another pretty bauble. Happy Elf Smilie

No, the Pseudo-Silmarils don't melt they sublimate, which means they go from solid to gaseous state directly bypassing the liquid state, just as ice cubes do in your freezer if you leave them long enough. Or have I used the wrong word here?

What was the Sindarin name for the black crows of Fangorn and Dunland Question Smilie
From Merriam Webster Online

Main Entry: 1sub’lime
Pronunciation: s&-'blIm
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): sub’limed; sub’lim’ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French sublimer, from Medieval Latin sublimare to refine, sublime, from Latin, to elevate, from sublimis
transitive senses
1 : to cause to pass directly from the solid to the vapor state and condense back to solid form2 [French sublimer, from Latin sublimare] a (1) : to elevate or exalt especially in dignity or honor (2) : to render finer (as in purity or excellence) b : to convert (something inferior) into something of higher worth
intransitive senses : to pass directly from the solid to the vapor state- sub’lim’able /-'blI-m&-b&l/ adjective
- sub’lim’er noun

emphasis mine

I just copied it so I think some of it got messed up.

But you're right, Grondy. I had learned that or thought I learned it in last years physics class...but I don't apply my knowledge in the summer.

So they kinda melted.

In reference to LA86's question, I have been running tests on the PsuedoSimirals to discover their Sublimation Point, so I can build a freezer to keep them in solid state. But because they melt so fast and because their Sublimation Point is lower than I expected, I can't find their Sublimation Point. But, If I decrease the pressure, the sublimation point will raise as it does with most objects.

...but I don't apply my knowledge in the summer.
If you haven't yet, ya'll just HAVE to check out Dr. Asimovs paper on The Endochronic Properties of Resublimated Thiotimoline. I mean, it came up in his orals for crying out loud (and he almost fainted when it did.)
crebain ?
or isn't that sindarin
Well Kratos, that is the word I wanted, so you get the Pseudo-Silmaril. Happy Elf Smilie

When the Elves awoke, what were the first things they beheld and the first sounds they heard Question Smilie
Um, two parter; no fair! Well, the first part's easy: the stars, but on the second I'm torn between two choices. I'll say the lapping of the water at Lake Cuivinen, and if it's the other I'll probably scream.
I am not sure about the star part. But I am probably wrong.

I think they saw and heard the lake first.
From the third page of 'Of the Coming of the Elves' in The Silmarillion:
By the starlit mere of Cuivi’nen, Water of Awakening, they rose from the sleep of Il’vatar; and while they dwelt yet silent by Cuivi’nen their eyes beheld first of all things the stars of heaven. Therefore they have ever loved the starlight, and have revered Varda Elent’ri above all the Valar.
And a little farther down that same page:
Many waters flowed down thither from heights in the east, and the first sound that was heard by the Elves was the sound of water flowing, and the sound of water falling over stone.
So I'll give the pretty bauble to Morambar who had the keywords 'stars' and 'water' even though the lake was probably placid such that the stars reflected off it and it couldn't be heard to be lapping. Any lapping they might have heard, came from a thirsty old hound, who having lost his way on the journey to Angband, wandered down to the shore for a drink. Elf With a Big Grin SmilieYou won't find this latter bit in the Tolkien canon.

How did Sam locate Frodo in the Tower of Cirith Ungol Question Smilie
But, but, the water over the rocks had to come from SOMEWHERE, right? And where else but Cuivinen on its journey to the sea? Hey, I can't complain; I got the Silmaril, and that's all that matters (thanks, Grondy; I need it for a short story I'm writing. ) The annoying part is you've actually asked something from the obscure follower to the Silmarillion that I know, but it won't go unanswered for twenty-four hours. In fact, I believe there's a lazy way to find out the answer for those who don't remember. Ah, well.
How did Sam locate Frodo in the Tower of Cirith Ungol?

With the use of Night-Vision goggles.

Sam found a ladder apparantly going up to nowhere in the highest room of the Tower. Then it dawned of him, that the room might not exactly be the highest room of the Tower. So up, up he went (courtesy the ladder) and found himself in another room in which Frodo was lying naked as if he were sunbathing in the gardens of the Shire.
Well that is true, but tehnicly, didnt Sam fall into despair and then sing a song, which Frodo heard and anwsered, thus giving Sam the insight where he was hidden?
Etharion has the correct answer and the Pseudo-Silmaril. Happy Elf Smilie
but, the water over the rocks had to come from SOMEWHERE, right? And where else but Cuivinen on its journey to the sea?
The waters flowed from the heights in the east, probably the Orocarni Mountains, into the Inland Sea of Helcar, of which Cuivi’nen was but an eastern bay, if I interpreted The Silmarillion correctly. Karen Wynn Fonstad's The Atlas of Middle-earth also shows this. As she died earlier this year we can't ask her if she located the Sea of Helcar in the correct place. It looked good to me.

In what chamber did the Fellowship find Balin's Tomb Question Smilie
Wild guess but perhaps the chamber of Mazerbual translation records??
I just read this last night, man I am hardly ever fast enough.

To correct the spelling it was the Chamber of Mazarbul or the Chamber of Records.
Well, I was going to go with Caudimordax's more correct answer; however, on second thought, Elrose had the right idea and it was close enough to win the pretty bauble. Happy Elf Smilie

On which mountain, and in which tower, were the halls of Manw’ and Varda Question Smilie
Their halls are above the everlasting snow, upon Oiolosse, the uttermost tower of Taniquetil, tallest of all the mountains upon Earth.

Ilmarin was his hall on the White mountain
Correct Caudimordax, Happy Elf Smilie though you forgot to "hold alt-key while pressing 0235" in order to put the umlaut over the e in Oioloss. Elf Sticking Tounge Out Smilie Not to worry, I'm just pulling your chain in a friendly way; as I too often ignore all the fancy letters that Tolkien used to emphasise the correct way of pronuncing his lexicon. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie

I have a couple Post-its attached to my moniter as memory refresheners of the code for those non-standard letters (on English/American keyboards) that I frequently need; that precludes my having to run 'charmap' everytime I need one.

Anyway Caudimordax gets the Pseudo-Silmaril.

What gemstone did Bilbo pocket inside the Lonely Mountain Question Smilie
The Arkenstone of Thrain

What a great idea, Grondy; wish I'd thought of that. Guess I'll just settle for stealing it. Elf Winking Smilie
The easiest solution is using a French azerty-keyboard, where those non-standard chars are standard. I'm lucky that here in Belgium the azerty-keyboard is used.

Only for some Scandinavian chars i have to go on a quest to find the right number that goes with the ALT key.

But for the real masochists, i suggest purchasing an Arabian keyboard..
Huh; that's weird. One of the nicest people I know at wotmania is Belgian. I was actually concerned I might have offended her after her response to my post involving the "Most Gratuitous Use of the Word 'Belgium' in a Screenplay" indicated she'd never heard the phrase. Plus, she's the only person (other than me) that placed Tolkien in the proper place on the "Name Your Top Five" survey. Cute, too; maybe ya'll should get together. Wink Smilie
I'm from Belgium too, love me !
Tommie is also from Belgium, and I introduced her to Douglas Adams by kidding her about the writer who won his 'Rory', "for using the name of a perfectly innocent if slightly dull European country gratuitously in a Serious Screenplay."

Morambar had the correct answer and now has another pretty bauble. Happy Elf Smilie

Whose legs was Bilbo short enough to walk through Question Smilie
Without looking it up...I would have to guess the troll's legs. Though I don't know which one's. Maybe Tom's...Was he one of the trolls from the chapter Roast Mutton?
Nope, not the trolls, at least that isn't what I'm looking for. A little bit of the text reads, "...he could easily have trotted through his legs without ducking his head to miss..." in case that clarifys the question any.
Was it Beorn?
Yes it was Adreia, so you get the Pseudo-Silmaril. Happy Elf Smilie

Who killed Beren Question Smilie
Carcharoth. Yea, missing an entire Q/A pays off for me!
Yup, Carcharoth was the answer, so Morambar gets the pretty bauble. Happy Elf Smilie

Wasn't Carcharoth also a character in H.P. #4 and Dragon Ball Z or have I got some of my pronunciations wrong?

Which Vala came last to Arda, and what did he delight in Question Smilie
Tulkas. He delighted in wrestling and contests of strength.
Heck if I know, Grondy; I just come for the Silmarils (thanks.) Elf Winking Smilie But Rivendell snagged it back before I even knew I had it. Oh, well, back to MNF. Or should I say back to watching the Rams slaughter the Lions.
Rivendellelf1977 has the correct answer and the Pseudo-Silmaril. Happy Elf Smilie

What was Sam's profession Question Smilie
Correct, but is gardening a profession or a vocation? I guess it depends how much you get paid to do it. Anyway, Lemaly orangeflower gets the pretty bauble. Happy Elf Smilie

What were the script and language of the fire-letters on the Ring Question Smilie (not what they said)
this is a guess, i just started school and i have no time to look up stuff....the script was a form of Elvish and the language was black toungue.
Close enough Elrose, the script was Elvish and the language was the Black tongue of Mordor, so you get the Pseudo-Silmaril. Happy Elf Smilie

In which battle were Isildur and his three eldest sons slain Question Smilie
Galladen Fields! am I right? o....The Diasater of Galladen Fields. that makes sence right?
You got it and the pretty bauble Elrose. Happy Elf Smilie

In what city was the Rath Dinen Question Smilie
Gondor. Finally, I have decent timing. The Silent Street was in Gondor, and wound through the burial chamber of the Kings and Stewards. Or was it just TO it?
gondor isn't a city Tongue Smilie
Kratos has got you there, Morambar.
Ensure brain is activated before engaging mouth.
Or fingers. I too often get bitten by this fraility. Elf With a Big Grin Smilie

So please try again. Happy Elf Smilie
Fine, Minas Tirith then; I always think of it as "Gondor."
Now you finally have the correct answer Morambar, so you may take another Pseudo-Silmaril. Happy Elf Smilie

Which is the Odd Man Out: Elostirion, Tol Galen, Orthanc, Ann’minas, or Minas Ithil Question Smilie
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