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Actually Anilorak, this thread is just a continuing trivia game.

Look for the last question which is printed in bold and if it hasn't been answered correctly, and if you think you know the answer, post it in your reply. If you can quote chapter and verse of the source for your answer, all the better, even though it is not required. I try to put up a new question each day, unless the last one remains unanswered. Smile Smilie
Sorry, but I love to see what questions Grondy comes up with each day, and as he only asks another as the previous is answered, I'm going for it.
I think the trees peculiar to Lorien were Mallorn or more correctly, Mellyrn. These only grew in Lorien, Aman and after the War of the Ring, one in the Party Field in the Shire.
Correct as always Val, a Pseudo-Silmaril to you. Smile Smilie

Alright Mellie, I have just parked my Huff and will now present you with the Pseudo-Silmaril which I withheld, back on the twenty-second, for your correct answer to the second question in one day. Smile Smilie (She may not even have noticed the brand of automobile in which I drove off. Big Laugh Smilie I just like Tiggers, refuse to stay unhappy for long) Smile Smilie

What treasure did Bilbo take home from Smaug's hoard Question Smilie
Chapter XVIII The Return Journey

In the end he would only take two small chests, one filled with silver, and the other with gold, such as one small pony could carry.
Correct Mellie. You get the Pseudo-Silmaril. Smile Smilie

He also brought home his mithril (truesilver) shirt which had been part of Smaug's hoard and was presented to him by Thorin Oakenshield. However, the question was really about how much Bilbo would take from Dain, who wanted to "reward you the most richly of all," after Thorin's deathbed repentance.

What kind of weapon did the Lord of the Nazg’l wield in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields Question Smilie
thanks Grondy. I have no idea about the answer for this one, so everyone is safe. If it is still unanswered tomorrow, I will look it up. but not tonight.
Ok, I have waited for a while and I have looked up the answer. How much longer do I need to wait? Is someone going to answer this one?
I know because I've got a picture in front of me with him breaking Eowyn's arm with it...Front cover of Lords of middle Earth vol II... I'm still working on a way to make these pseudo-silmarils real though so someone else can have this one. Smile Smilie
Rather than a hard and fast rule, I think if you wait between 12-18 hours after it was posted before answering a second question would be okay, while 24 might be better. Let your conscience be your guide: Have the people in Australia, Bangladesh, the United Emirates, or Europe had a crack at it yet, or are they still asleep? Smile Smilie
That is why I have not answered it yet Grondy.. I am trying to be nice.
So do I. Disturbed Smilie No, honestly I have no idea and I'd have to look it up, but I don't have my copy here.

Guessing now: a sword? Or would that be just too easy?
That is why I have not answered it yet Grondy.. I am trying to be nice.
But it had been 27 hours since I had posted the question, so you could have answered it then Mellie. And thanks for being nice. Kiss Smilie Big Smile Smilie

So please answer it now so I can put up a new one and we can start the clock running again. Very Big Grin Smilie
It wasn't a Nazgul-sword then? Very Sad Smilie
No, not a Nazgul sword Tommy. I think it might have been a mace, but I am too lazyand too cold to look it up at the moment.
With a cry of hatred that stung the very ears like venom he let fall his mace.
You're right Rednell.
Rednell gets the Pseudo-Silmaril. It was "a great black mace".

Whose words had turned King Th’oden into a wizened old man Question Smilie
Finally someone answered it. lol

ummm the answer to this one is ummm Grima right? I don't have my book in front of me, Wormtongue. the guy that was a messanger of Saruman. I can't spell. and I hate names.

Ohhh I will go get my book. brb Ok, I looked it up and I think I am correct. lol I get names confused soo easily.
A Pseudo-Silmaril to Mellie. Smile Smilie Yes, Grima Wormtongue, while actually serving the cause of his paymaster, Saruman, was councilor to King Th’oden and undermined his strength with bad information.

Pick the odd man out and explain why: Oss’, Manw’, Ilmar’, Ol’rin, Eonw’.
What happened people? I go away for three days and everyone forgets about the trivia questions?
Osse was one of the Maiar of Ulmo.
Ilmare was the handmaid of Varda and one of the greatest Maiar
Olorin was the wisest Maiar
Eonwe was a Maiar that was the herald and standard-bearer of Manwe.

Manwe, was not a Maiar. Manwe was the Lord of the Valar among many other things.

So, it looks like Manwe is the answer to the question.

Ok, Grondy you can now ask another queston, that is if I got it correct.
Oh, thank you Mellie, I didn't think it was ever going to be answered. Big Smile Smilie

You got it right by the way, so you get another Pseudo-Silmaril. Smile Smilie

What did the setting sun of Durin's Day reveal to Bilbo Question Smilie
Again: doesn't anyone ever check this thread?

Ok. I think it was the secret door up on the Lonely Mountain that lead to Smaug's hole. No, I wanna get this right. Wait, I'll get my copy. Ok found it. It revealed a hole in the stone wall, which served as a key-hole to the key Thorin Oakenshield was carrying with him. Big Smile Smilie
Actually my question was about the two trees of Yavanna, Laurelin and Telperion, which had nothing to do with the imposters Glingal and Bethil which were mere immitations of them. Since you have left the question open, though, I'll step in and say they were fashioned by Turgon and they stood in the Royal Courts in Gondolin. Smile Smilie
Correct Val, they were cheap imitations of the originals and shed no light of their own, as I remember. One Pseudo-Silmaril coming up. Smile Smilie

What colours were Fangorn's (Treebeard's) eyes Question Smilie
From The Two Towers, Book III, chapter 4, Treebeard:

They were brown, shot with a green light.
Right Rednell, another bauble for your collection

The valley of Tumladen lay in the midst of which mountains Question Smilie
The broad, fertile plain hidden in the Echoraith, site of the kingdon of Gondolin. Tumladen seems to have been level, except for the ravine of Orfalch Echor and the hill of Amon Gwareth.

[Edited on 8/10/2002 by MelliotSandybanks]
Right. Mellie gets the Pseudo-Silmaril. Smile Smilie
Tumladen 'The Wide Valley', the hidden vale in the Encircling Mountains (the Echoraith) in the midst of which stood the city of Gondolin - Index to Silmarillion
When in Dol Guldur, why did Sauron send the other eight Nazgul to Mordor?

[Edited on 10/10/2002 by Grondmaster]
Erm... cos they were hogging the remote control?

I'll get my coat.
I have had a problem with the above Nazgul question: I know what these eight were doing in Mordor, but why wasn't the nineth one with them, what was he doing in the meantime? Does anyone know the textual source for this Nazgul separation?
Hang on, just a minute, lemme check here. *browsing through my bright and shiny new Robert Foster's Guide to ME*

Aha! It says there that at the time the other eight were waiting for their master to join them in Mordor, the Lord of the Nazgul was ruling Angmar (being the Witch-King of). But about 400 or 500 years later he joined them again, and being reunited they attacked Minas Ithil, which then became known as Minas Morgul.

All I could find, I'm afraid. Dunno if that's what you were looking for Grondy.

And Sauron send those eight on to prepare Mordor for his coming I guess. Cos he knew he was soon going to be driven out of Dol Guldur.
Tommie gets the Pseudo-Silmaril for knowing what the eight were doing, and my thanks for informing me why the ninth wasn't with them. I just didn't realize the time frame of all these events. Smile Smilie I thought the Witch-King of Angmar was from an earlier period, or maybe it is just that Sauron was in Dol Guldur for longer than I had thought. I guess its back to Appendix B for me. Got The Blues Smilie

What was the last sign of Frodo that Sam, Merry and Pippin saw as he sailed away into the West Question Smilie
A flash of light from Galadriel's phial?
A new question: what is the relationship between Hasufel and Roheryn?
I'd say you could add Arwen to that question too.

They've all had Aragorn sat on them. Hasufel was a horse lent to him by Eomer, Roheryn was his own horse, and Arwen.... well...
Eryan gets the Pseudo-Silmaril for her answer. Smile Smilie

Valedhelgwath can have one for knowing the common ( or in this case royal) denominator of the two horses. Wink Smilie

What did Bilbo lose as he escaped from the Misty Mountains Question Smilie
Buttons (not chocolate, waistcoaty)
And notice folks, the Plastic Squirrel didn't even have to think about reaching for the book to find the correct answer to this one, for which he has earned a Pseudo-Silmaril. Orc Grinning Smilie

In what year of the Third Age did Isildur plant a seedling of the White Tree in Minas Anor Question Smilie
Cool.... Eryan's using invisible ink.

I tried holding a match under my moniter to see what she was saying but it just made everyone elses posts disappear too. Jumping Flame Smilie
Wow!, that was one of the longer posts I've seen from 42 recently. Just kidding, Smile Smilie and she gets a Pseudo-Silmaril for her correct answer.

I think Eryan was just trying to one-up 42 for brevity, Val. Besides, it is hard to transmit lemon juice over the internet, the kind that secret postBodys can be written with anyway, so I think your experiment was doomed for failure. Big Smile Smilie

Who had a butler called Galion Question Smilie

ummmm The wooden kind? Orc Grinning Smilie
I made a post supposed to be funny and then I decided that it is not sufficiently funny and I did not send it!
It was something of the sort, that if you think that the releation between Aragorn and Arwen can be reduced to the same sort of relation as that between Aragorn and Hasufel or Roheryn, then such sheer reductionism does not seem to me to be legitimate... Now you can learn what I wanted to say without putting fire to your monitor - and may try to write it in a funnier way! Big Smile Smilie
Galion was the butler of Thranduil, by the way!
Sam amd Cirdan, give me a hard one now I'm doing this again.
Okay Skwrel, since you asked for it, but first let me present you with a Pseudo-Silmaril for your correct answer.

Now then: Name the Seven Fathers of the Dwarves Question Smilie

And no, they weren't Grumpy, Doc, Sleepy, Dopey, Bashfull, Sneezy, and Happy. Elf Sticking Tounge Out Smilie Nor were they Harlin, son of Henlin; Sigmund the Lofty; Rigely Ironhammer, Corri Corrisonnsonsson; Giddy Smallbottom, Winkle Shorthouse; and Eric Dragonslayer.* Elf With a Big Grin Smilie However, I only know the name of one of them, so you will have to provide your source so the rest of us can verify your answer. Elf Winking Smilie

* names of these latter seven from SWatSD a pantomime script by Stuart Arden.

D@mn, there goes that joke, if I remember right (and they're all in one of the Appendices by the way) half of them were called Durin anyway.
Okay, every source I've been to (Appendices A and F, the Sil, the TOlkien encyclopedia, and the Encyclopedia of Arda) say Durin the Deathless and 6 other UNNAMED Dwarfs, trick question Grond.

Who were the Telcontari, and who was the first of their line?
Yes, except I told you I only knew the name of one of the seven, which is why if you knew any of the others I wanted the source. You can have another Pseudo-Silmaril, or a cuddly-badger, or a gummy-bear, or a jelly-baby for your effort. Happy Elf Smilie

And I found the answer to your question, but will wait 24 hours before providing my answer to allow the others to answer. Cool Elf Smilie

D@mn, I've got a nosebleed. We are experiencing our driest Summer/Indian-Summer in decades with no appreciable rain in the last three months. My nose is too dry and the webs between my fingers and toes have started to crack. Dead Smilie Big Laugh Smilie
Fast Asleep Smilie
*wakes up* Good Morning Smilie

Ooh lookie a new question! *runs off to find her RF's guide to*

"Telcontar": the name of the house of Ellessar, the Kings of the Reunited Kingdom and of the West. Pl. Telcontari. Founder was Aragorn son of Arathorn. Also called Strider.

Big Smile Smilie
Well, if that is what Robert Foster's Guide to Middle-earth says, he's got it wrong, or rather backwards.
And Aragorn hearing him, turned and said: 'Verily, for in the high tongue of old I am Elessar, the Elfstone, and the Renewer': and he lifted from his breast the green stone that lay there, 'But Strider shall be the name of my house, if that ever be established. In the high tongue it will not sound so ill, and Telcontar I will be and all the heirs of my body.' -- from ROTK, Book V, Chapter 8 entitled 'The Houses of Healing'. (The bold is mine to highlight the pertinent part of JRRT's text)
Therefore, the Telcontari were the family of the House of Telcontar (Strider), similar to the Tudors were the family of the House of Tudor and the Plantagenets were the family of the House of Plantagenet, these latter two having been but two of the ruling families in the history of England.

Happy Elf Smilie Tommie gets the Pseudo-Silmaril because she had the right words.
Elf Sticking Tounge Out Smilie Robert Foster gets a pan because he missed the point, or did I just read him wrong?

What was the main criticism in Edwin Muir's review of The Lord of the Rings, entitled 'A Boy's World' Question Smilie
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